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uncertainty
is being countered
by a call for risk management here

If meteorological reality can be undiscounted
I'm living in the forefront of global warming
in inland Eastern Oz

how many of yu have lately been in drought for 7 years or had 10 days of over 40 degrees C?

personally
i don't think we should waste money countering carbon-dioxide/methane emmissions
but should spend dosh on adapting to changes

so that our welcoming of aliens is more effusive.

manillathrilla wrote:

magma wrote:

parson wrote:magma said he doesn't see the problem with one world government. that's the kinda thing i woulda sigged if i wasn't so enamored with myself in my sig

What is the problem with one-world government if it were done in a good way? I clearly haven't grasped the "must be done in an evil way" thing yet? Little help?

The biggest impact, apart from perhaps farming subsidies, that the EU has had on Europeans is the introduction of the free movement of labour across EU States and the European Court of Human Rights. I really don't have a problem with either of those things.

Power Corrupts...End of story look at history if you dont believe it, we just do not have the self control necessary to maintain a globalized government. It literally would be the absolute worst thing that could ever happen.

Ahh, but without effective government power is free to corrupt even more. Look at history if you don't believe it - fuedal society, civil wars, riots, slavery, lords of the manor, richest people ruling poorest people, disease - the only way to equality and true freedom is effective and properly representative government. We just don't have the self control necessary to maintain anything approaching global freedom and prosperity without it - but it *must* be shaped by the people. The debate for me isn't whether or not to have government, it's how to shape that government in the best possible way.

Given that a lot of people on this thread seem resigned to a one world government, it seems defeatist that they'd be so down on it. Involve yourselves and shape it for yourself, like the man tr0tsky - sitting by the sidelines sniping about conspiracy on the internet doesn't really achieve much for the people - democratic action does. Since the birth of the Labour movement in the late 1800s the Western worker has become better off in untold ways - fair working hours, minimum wage, paid holiday, social security, safe working conditions, health care (well for most of us around the world), pensions, availability of safe water, a massive reduction in slums and disease.... to use a global infrastructure to extend those freedoms across the globe seems to me to be the correct thing to do.

The 20th Century, even with its devestating wars, saw more advance in the quality and comfort of life of the average person in Europe than any century before it - I can't work out why everyone's so pissed off about it.

parson wrote:its also more likely that we're gonna meet aliens that look just likes us than for the moon to exist.

the moon is either an artificial satellite, or its the biggest coincidence in the universe that it is simultaneously 1/400th the diameter of the sun and 400 times closer making it the same size in the sky from human perspective. that just doesn't happen naturally.

this is some stuff explaining that,
skip to 2.40

I know I'm a little off topic but what's the difference between believing in conspiracy theories or religious ones? Both seem more about blunt faith, a kind of I know this is going on and no evidence is going to persuade me otherwise, because I've seen a few interesting coincidences, had some strange feelings and seen the odd weird thing and I'd like to believe in something more than mundane reality.

whitelight wrote:Where did I say these were written by a bunch of loosers?

All I said is that refering to a Reality Sandwich article is like refering to the Onion.

yeah i know mate, i was just saying if the links I posted were better evidence of entire solar system warming up than the reality sandwich link

limb wrote:what's the difference between believing in conspiracy theories or religious ones? Both seem more about blunt faith.

the difference is conspirationists don't think faith has anything to do with it, while religion is faith centered. that's a big difference right at the root of it all

reality sandwich is amazing. if you haven't figured that out yet, you might be one of these morons who thinks one world government is a good idea.

magma wrote:

manillathrilla wrote:

magma wrote:

parson wrote:magma said he doesn't see the problem with one world government. that's the kinda thing i woulda sigged if i wasn't so enamored with myself in my sig

What is the problem with one-world government if it were done in a good way? I clearly haven't grasped the "must be done in an evil way" thing yet? Little help?

The biggest impact, apart from perhaps farming subsidies, that the EU has had on Europeans is the introduction of the free movement of labour across EU States and the European Court of Human Rights. I really don't have a problem with either of those things.

Power Corrupts...End of story look at history if you dont believe it, we just do not have the self control necessary to maintain a globalized government. It literally would be the absolute worst thing that could ever happen.

Ahh, but without effective government power is free to corrupt even more. Look at history if you don't believe it - fuedal society, civil wars, riots, slavery, lords of the manor, richest people ruling poorest people, disease - the only way to equality and true freedom is effective and properly representative government. We just don't have the self control necessary to maintain anything approaching global freedom and prosperity without it - but it *must* be shaped by the people. The debate for me isn't whether or not to have government, it's how to shape that government in the best possible way.

Given that a lot of people on this thread seem resigned to a one world government, it seems defeatist that they'd be so down on it. Involve yourselves and shape it for yourself, like the man tr0tsky - sitting by the sidelines sniping about conspiracy on the internet doesn't really achieve much for the people - democratic action does. Since the birth of the Labour movement in the late 1800s the Western worker has become better off in untold ways - fair working hours, minimum wage, paid holiday, social security, safe working conditions, health care (well for most of us around the world), pensions, availability of safe water, a massive reduction in slums and disease.... to use a global infrastructure to extend those freedoms across the globe seems to me to be the correct thing to do.

The 20th Century, even with its devestating wars, saw more advance in the quality and comfort of life of the average person in Europe than any century before it - I can't work out why everyone's so pissed off about it.

Government will have too much power. End of story.

just wait until our international gov. is run by communists and religious fanatics. Then you will understand why there cant be one global government. Because once hitler takes the throne of an international government no one will be safe.

i can't believe somebody on here is stupid enough to think one world government is a good idea.

"The 20th Century, even with its devestating wars, saw more advance in the quality and comfort of life of the average person in Europe than any century before it - I can't work out why everyone's so pissed off about it."

your about as thick as a wall then. Our freedoms are stripped away day by day. I cant even drive into canada anymore(not that i ever really wanted to) thanks to these terrific governments.

i wish i had a portal and a dirt bike or a game with those two things

are any of y'all watchin the new V?

shit is fookin sweet

they just said that flu vaccines are evil alien shots and that the media is controlling us with fear

manillathrilla wrote:"The 20th Century, even with its devestating wars, saw more advance in the quality and comfort of life of the average person in Europe than any century before it - I can't work out why everyone's so pissed off about it."

your about as thick as a wall then. Our freedoms are stripped away day by day. I cant even drive into canada anymore(not that i ever really wanted to) thanks to these terrific governments.

And before proper governed living you wouldn't have even thought about the prospect of going to a foreign country because you'd be too busy working for a pittance that barely gave you enough money to get by, let alone take holidays. The working man's holiday is a very 20th Century invention which could only come around because workers, through democratic and unionised action had won the powers to decent wages and paid holiday.

Your opinions on politics appear about as developed as your opinions on women.

I'll check it tonight, alien vaccine tho..?

magma wrote:And before proper governed living you wouldn't have even thought about the prospect of going to a foreign country because you'd be too busy working for a pittance that barely gave you enough money to get by, let alone take holidays. The working man's holiday is a very 20th Century invention which could only come around because workers, through democratic and unionised action had won the powers to decent wages and paid holiday.

Your opinions on politics appear about as developed as your opinions on women.

weve lost rights (cannot protest 1 mile radius of parliament/terrorist act), and majority of people dumbed down by use of media and education, no critical thinking

but yes its so much better now! just because we get better pay!

magma wrote:Ahh, but without effective government power is free to corrupt even more. Look at history if you don't believe it - fuedal society, civil wars, riots, slavery, lords of the manor, richest people ruling poorest people, disease - the only way to equality and true freedom is effective and properly representative government. We just don't have the self control necessary to maintain anything approaching global freedom and prosperity without it - but it *must* be shaped by the people. The debate for me isn't whether or not to have government, it's how to shape that government in the best possible way.

Given that a lot of people on this thread seem resigned to a one world government, it seems defeatist that they'd be so down on it. Involve yourselves and shape it for yourself, like the man tr0tsky - sitting by the sidelines sniping about conspiracy on the internet doesn't really achieve much for the people - democratic action does. Since the birth of the Labour movement in the late 1800s the Western worker has become better off in untold ways - fair working hours, minimum wage, paid holiday, social security, safe working conditions, health care (well for most of us around the world), pensions, availability of safe water, a massive reduction in slums and disease.... to use a global infrastructure to extend those freedoms across the globe seems to me to be the correct thing to do.

The 20th Century, even with its devestating wars, saw more advance in the quality and comfort of life of the average person in Europe than any century before it - I can't work out why everyone's so pissed off about it.

theres no such thing as democracy anymore, when will you people wake up?

hackman wrote:

magma wrote:And before proper governed living you wouldn't have even thought about the prospect of going to a foreign country because you'd be too busy working for a pittance that barely gave you enough money to get by, let alone take holidays. The working man's holiday is a very 20th Century invention which could only come around because workers, through democratic and unionised action had won the powers to decent wages and paid holiday.

Your opinions on politics appear about as developed as your opinions on women.

weve lost rights (cannot protest 1 mile radius of parliament/terrorist act), and majority of people dumbed down by use of media and education, no critical thinking

but yes its so much better now! just because we get better pay!

Compare the quality of life in the late 20th Century to the quality of life in the 18th Century and I think it's difficult to come to the conclusion that organised, democratic government has been a bad thing.

It needs keeping in check, sure, and we need to be careful not to relinquish rights and powers that our forefathers have won for us, but of course it's important to have perspective. The right to not be thrown into a workhouse for merely being unemployed and impoverished (still happening 100 years ago) where you'd probably die of TB or Cholera far outweighs the right to protest near parliament as far as quality of life goes IMHO.

Yes, we need to fight to get that right back, I fully agree - but taking it away is not comparable to being poor with no hope of redemption, dying of disease, being under the whip of the local Lord of the Manor or Mill Owner or watching your kids die because you can't provide them with clean water which was the status quo for most of the people of Western Europe until the 20th Century.

Nowadays the status quo is obesity, X Factor and indifference to politics - it might be unpleasant, but it's far more comfortable.

are you not aware of all the shit governments tried to pull back in the day. the great plague was man made I think..

gwa wrote:are you not aware of all the shit governments tried to pull back in the day. the great plague was man made I think..

Serious? You're serious? People were engineering global pandemics when the best scientists in the world were yet to properly understand how disease even spread between humans? Before we'd even seen bacteria in a microscope let alone come up with a concept of what they are?

Even something obvious like The Great Fire Of London was largely put down to an act of God and it occurred in the same decade! The best effort to contain the Great Plague was a cull of cats and dogs - exactly what you don't do if you understand how plague is spread (which you'd need to do in order for someone to have engineered the outbreak).

You either need some evidence or a very good punchline.

gwa wrote:are you not aware of all the shit governments tried to pull back in the day. the great plague was man made I think..

Are you talking about the black death?