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Tbh, I think "love" might be pushing it... don't we only have about 5 regular posters in this thread?

Wrestling's just a format to tell stories with - as long as the stories are decent, there's no need to rip up and replace the format... for example, a lot of folk songs have used the same chord progression for nearly 200 years, it doesn't stop people listening to new ones... whatever works for the people.

I see cliché moves like that as having a lot in common with certain cut/paste sounds and build-up/drop structures you get in electronic music.

Electric_Head wrote:I'm still confounded by the love that wrestling still receives in here.

Do they still do the sleeper holds where the guy is out for 4 counts but suddenly his hand rises up and he is no longer unconscious.
ala undertaker sitting up.

It's like watching a soap opera, it's cheesy, formulaic but entertaining regardless. All about the suspension of disbelief.

Fuck me, DB and Stephanie's opening promo here is the start of something beautiful

But how can you guys watch it knowing that everything is fake and ott on purpose?
That's why I stopped watching.

Now it's worse than when I was a kid watching Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Tornado, Jake the snake etc.
I remember watching a cage match between Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan and hulk literally beat a dent into Andre the giants forehead.
Blood everywhere.

Electric_Head wrote:But how can you guys watch it knowing that everything is fake and ott on purpose?
That's why I stopped watching.

You know Batman isn't a documentary, right?

Electric_Head wrote:But how can you guys watch it knowing that everything is fake and ott on purpose?
That's why I stopped watching.

Now it's worse than when I was a kid watching Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Tornado, Jake the snake etc.
I remember watching a cage match between Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan and hulk literally beat a dent into Andre the giants forehead.
Blood everywhere.

It's not "worse", you've just got older and find it harder to be impressed. If you thought Hulk Hogan and Andre The Giant ever had a realistic match, you definitely weren't watching right!

Do you find Martial Arts movies and fight scenes in action flicks equally difficult to get into?

For you Wub



Magma

Is that a trick question?

Electric_Head wrote: Magma

Is that a trick question?

No, straight up. I've never really understood why fake fighting is ok if it's "Martial Arts" but not when it's "Wrestling" despite them being largely the same thing in a very slightly different situation.

I've got a feeling you brought up this same conversation a few pages back, actually.

Ok

Point made.
I still don't see wrestling like a movie though.
Especially when they're pushing the "It's real" BS.

I certainly don't find anything wrong with you guys enjoying it, I am trying to understand why.
That's all.

Electric_Head wrote:Ok

Point made.
I still don't see wrestling like a movie though.
Especially when they're pushing the "It's real" BS.

I certainly don't find anything wrong with you guys enjoying it, I am trying to understand why.
That's all.

I think it's the same reason as action movies. I'm interested in the stories, the fight sequences and the actors to various degrees. It entertains me and I respect the efforts involved. I wouldn't watch Die Hard thinking "this is real" but clearly the actors play their parts as if it's all real. What fictitious entertainment isn't played as real?

Do the fighters in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon wink at the camera to let you know they're not really kicking each other in the face?

Looking forward to Smackdown this week as well if the reports from last nights tapings are anything to go by;

[+] Spoiler

Daniel Bryan defeats Wade Barrett in a steel cage match via a Busaiku Knee Kick.

Everything I've read has said this was an instant classic and easily a 4* match

HOWEVER;

[+] Spoiler

Darren Young defeats Antonio Cesaro via pinfall

FUCK SAKE...this is getting stupid. Brave or not, he shouldn't have two consecutive pinfalls like this. He does not deserve the push just because.

Drunk Ric Flair;

Following his wild performance at last Saturday's 2K14 press conference, Ric Flair has reportedly found himself in hot water with management.

As I noted last week, the two-time Hall of Famer stole the show at the event. He was loud, rude and generally pretty crazy. Now, this isn't really anything new, but he also trashed Daniel Bryan, mentioned TNA and outed the supposedly clean-cut John Cena for being a big drinker.

~58mins he mentioned John Cena smashing 30 beers in a five hour roadtrip
~59m30s he starts laughing with Foley about their TNA match
~1m02s he starts ripping into DB

He's actually pretty entertaining, obviously pissed but coming out with all his anecdotes. Foley is on form as well. Worth a watch

Ric Flair has always been overly kooky.
I always thought he was on something.

WOOOOO!! WOOOOOO!!

wub wrote:

Drunk Ric Flair;

Following his wild performance at last Saturday's 2K14 press conference, Ric Flair has reportedly found himself in hot water with management.

As I noted last week, the two-time Hall of Famer stole the show at the event. He was loud, rude and generally pretty crazy. Now, this isn't really anything new, but he also trashed Daniel Bryan, mentioned TNA and outed the supposedly clean-cut John Cena for being a big drinker.

~58mins he mentioned John Cena smashing 30 beers in a five hour roadtrip
~59m30s he starts laughing with Foley about their TNA match
~1m02s he starts ripping into DB

He's actually pretty entertaining, obviously pissed but coming out with all his anecdotes. Foley is on form as well. Worth a watch

This wins my first big up.

magma wrote:Wrestling's just a format to tell stories with

Wrestling is a fine art, that often passed of as dog shit.


This is what wrestling is

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/VGEcZsFWfrs/
And this, you know it's good when you can't find it on youtube
Quality is shit though

wub wrote:Looking forward to Smackdown this week as well if the reports from last nights tapings are anything to go by;

[+] Spoiler

Daniel Bryan defeats Wade Barrett in a steel cage match via a Busaiku Knee Kick.

Everything I've read has said this was an instant classic and easily a 4* match

HOWEVER;

[+] Spoiler

Darren Young defeats Antonio Cesaro via pinfall

FUCK SAKE...this is getting stupid. Brave or not, he shouldn't have two consecutive pinfalls like this. He does not deserve the push just because.

4* match on Smackdown???

last one of them was The Rock Vs Triple H w/ Shawn Michaels as referee, and that was mostly down to the spectacle of it all
That whole show was 4 f'n stars, Jericho & The Fink, Undertaker making Big Show wrestle alone, against Kane & X-Pac, then bitch slaping him, the middle of the Al Snow/Big Bossman feud where he fed him his own dog. Mick Foley's promo (5*s), and his match with Shane, and fucking the shit out of his whole stable. Oh, and a few other things I forgot. Such a fast paced show, with good humour, action, stories, and some half decent wrestling aswell. WWE at it's finest.

Beating a mid-card jobber isn't a push

This weeks Smackdown was boring as shit (as it always is), Main event is worth watching, but nothing too special tbh, was a few good promos as well. I'm about done with watching Smackdown these day, I normally do other things when watching it, and skip quite alot of it aswell. Seems pointless...


Anyone every watched HoodSlam? It's like Chikara's stoner brother. It comes from a grungy building in California, they have a live 3 piece band, and they have burlesque dancers between some of the matches. The roster is funny as fuck, The Stoner Brothers Rick Scott, & Scott Rick, Winnie The Pooh Jack, Street Fighter characters, and Rasta Mysterio The Rastafarian Luchador. Best alternative to Chikara I found so far, though It's not very child friendly. It's like the seed of ECW & Chikara

3za wrote:

magma wrote:Wrestling's just a format to tell stories with

Wrestling is a fine art,

With this I don't disagree... well, it's definitely art. Some of it's fine.

Plenty of fine art comes from fixed formats though... it's nothing to be ashamed of. I love three chord punk and folk music - it's amazing the depth of story you can tell once you let go of a few variables. I see the ring, the ropes, the rules and the bizarre array of rasslin' weaponry (chairs, announce tables, stairs) as the restraints that allow some great stories to be told - without them, watching Mick Foley get hit on the head with a steel chair thirty times at the Royal Rumble* or seeing someone get pulled from the floor side of a cage back into the ring by their hair alone wouldn't make any sense in the slightest. I mean, who are all those chairs even intended for? Who even uses folding chairs nowadays?

*And that was a GREAT story.

how many name drops/references can you find in there? deadspin counts 27-31 different wrestlers named

YES! YES! YES!


Also, this made me laugh;

Randy Orton replaced by life-size cardboard cutout of himself

Amazing