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Lye Form wrote: My girlfriend is from Romania, she worked full time through university (got a 1st then a masters) and now works as a tv & film producer... Her Romanian friends (who live in romania/france/germany/uk all are lawyers/teachers/engineers etc. They are not Romani people stealing/begging (Romani are not really Romanians BTW)

She got fed up with bullshit newspapers "typifying" her so she wrote a letter to one.. a bit of it is suitable for this:

In high school in Romania we have to study 18 subjects in a year, we cannot select a few A levels. Among these subjects I remember taking one titled simply 'Logic'. Here we learned about Aristotle's Fallacies. Richard Whately followed Aristotle's thoughts and divided the fallacies into logic and material. Logic fallacies are arguments in which the conclusion doesn't follow the premise. Interesting things I know, they stuck with me. In this category you have informal fallacies such as hasty generalization which is basically the wobbly foundation of your article. In simple words you can pin the attributes of a group onto the individual belonging to that group, but not vice versa. It's a classic error in logic and I think the simpler English word for it is Bullshit.

Big ups your gf

Funny that 1/13 are immigrants

But way less than 1/13 (.4/20 million) of total benefits receivers are foreign

Hm they must have jobs

18 subjects? i think the most i had were like 13 or so per year. but yeah, we study logic in the 9th grade

rayman612 wrote:Funny that 1/13 are immigrants

But way less than 1/13 (.4/20 million) of total benefits receivers are foreign

Hm they must have jobs

And, although it'll be of no interest to jaydot who's already made up his mind, the stats all back each other up.

The public coffers have grown thanks to immigration, due to immigrants claiming markedly less benefits than natives:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467

Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration.

They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing.

"These differences are partly explainable by immigrants' more favourable age-gender composition. However, even when compared to natives with the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 21% less likely than natives to receive benefits," the authors say.

But yeah, facts are useless in the face of rigid opinions.

Lye Form wrote:She got fed up with bullshit newspapers "typifying" her so she wrote a letter to one.. a bit of it is suitable for this:

In high school in Romania we have to study 18 subjects in a year, we cannot select a few A levels. Among these subjects I remember taking one titled simply 'Logic'. Here we learned about Aristotle's Fallacies. Richard Whately followed Aristotle's thoughts and divided the fallacies into logic and material. Logic fallacies are arguments in which the conclusion doesn't follow the premise. Interesting things I know, they stuck with me. In this category you have informal fallacies such as hasty generalization which is basically the wobbly foundation of your article. In simple words you can pin the attributes of a group onto the individual belonging to that group, but not vice versa. It's a classic error in logic and I think the simpler English word for it is Bullshit.

Let her know that her Golden Fedora award is at the engravers, and should be with her soon.

lol fallacies

Stop holding back jaysdot, tell us what you really think about immigrants

Its truly unbelievable someone in Jaydots position, assuming you genuinely are quite ill and require help, holds such strong views about not helping others who, more often than not, are genuinely trying to improve their often shitty lives or lives of their family. To refuse people the opportunity to better their life or their families lives out of your bigotry is absolutely sickening imo. I can't believe people have such passionate views that can be so devastating to peoples lives that would have almost no impact on your own, whether a family moves here or not would have zero impact on your situation but could drastically improve their own situation and you're willing to just wipe your hands with it because they weren't luck enough to be born here.

the funniest thing about all this is that he wants to vote in a party that would probably remove is disability benefits or whatever he's on as they are even more right wing than the tories

DJoe wrote:the funniest thing about all this is that he wants to vote in a party that would probably remove is disability benefits or whatever he's on as they are even more right wing than the tories

Hes as backwards as the asians joining the BNP.

DJoe wrote:the funniest thing about all this is that he wants to vote in a party that would probably remove is disability benefits or whatever he's on as they are even more right wing than the tories

And this is the crux of the whole thing... I'm *always* amazed how conservative parties (small c) like the Tories, UKIP or the Republicans in America manage to appeal to poor and working class people so effectively. It's madness. They don't care about the common man in the slightest; they care about business owners and profit makers. Nigel Farage doesn't give two fucks about the hard working poor of Britain unless they're the 1 in 1000 that are exhibiting entrepreneurship, he just craves notoriety and power and realises the best way to go about it is to prey on the fear and anger of poor people which is naturally maximised during poor economic periods. We've just been through one of the worst recessions of our lifetimes *globally*, the whole world is feeling the pinch, not just us... it's not just that "New Labour left such a mess to clear up", Republicans presided over exactly the same process in America.

Whatever caused the economic crisis, it has a few obvious knock-on effects. Unemployment has been high for the last few years. This naturally makes people angry and scared... you can't argue with the fear of a man who doesn't know how he's going to feed his family, but you can engage with it in many ways. You could pragmatically look for solutions to employment, to create jobs, to retrain workers from industries that are no longer relevant to the UK, to start mass-apprenticeship schemes for young people, to create public building projects that pump money into construction and engineering..... or you can give them the Opium of hatred so that you don't have to go to the trouble. Give them someone to blame. Preferably someone that it's difficult to have a proper conversation with. Someone you can level whatever prejudices you need to against and never have to properly back them up. The perfect target? An immigrant.

My apologies to everyone for invoking Godwin's Law, but it's been the same tactics since Hitler told a struggling Germany that it was all the Jews fault. Hate and fear are always effective but rarely good things to promote.

magma wrote:[ I'm *always* amazed how conservative parties (small c) like the Tories, UKIP or the Republicans in America manage to appeal to poor and working class people so effectively.

I'm not really, they don't like the current leader (Brown/Blair) so they switch over to the only other option and it goes in cycles

There'll always be the hardcore areas and Scotland that will never vote conservative but I don't think your average person feels strongly enough either way

garethom wrote:

Lye Form wrote:She got fed up with bullshit newspapers "typifying" her so she wrote a letter to one.. a bit of it is suitable for this:

In high school in Romania we have to study 18 subjects in a year, we cannot select a few A levels. Among these subjects I remember taking one titled simply 'Logic'. Here we learned about Aristotle's Fallacies. Richard Whately followed Aristotle's thoughts and divided the fallacies into logic and material. Logic fallacies are arguments in which the conclusion doesn't follow the premise. Interesting things I know, they stuck with me. In this category you have informal fallacies such as hasty generalization which is basically the wobbly foundation of your article. In simple words you can pin the attributes of a group onto the individual belonging to that group, but not vice versa. It's a classic error in logic and I think the simpler English word for it is Bullshit.

Let her know that her Golden Fedora award is at the engravers, and should be with her soon.

well it was actually

In high school up in Romania we gotta study 18 subjects up in a year, we cannot select all dem A levels fo' realz. Among these subjects I remember takin one titled simply 'Logic' yo. Here our slick asses hustled bout Aristotlez Fallacies. Put ya muthafuckin choppers up if ya feel dis! Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. Slick Rick Whately followed Aristotlez thoughts n' divided tha fallacies tha fuck into logic n' material. It aint nuthin but tha nick nack patty wack, I still gots tha bigger sack. Logic fallacies is arguments up in which tha conclusion don't follow tha premise. Interestin thangs I know, they stuck wit mah dirty ass. In dis category you have informal fallacies like fuckin hasty generalization which is basically tha wobbly foundation of yo' article. In simple lyrics you can pin tha attributez of a crew onto tha individual belongin ta dat crew yo, but not vice versa. It aint nuthin but a cold-ass lil funky-ass error up in logic n' I be thinkin tha simpla Gangsta word fo' it is Bullshit.


Taking fedorable offence at things just to try and be intellectually superior vs actually being vilified by newspapers and calling out the bullshit with a valid argument against poor logic. IMO TBH IMO TBF

Guys I want a better life. Let me move to Barbados, give me a house there, give me a car etc. 'appy Days

jaydot wrote:Guys I want a better life. Let me move to Barbados, give me a house there, give me a car etc. 'appy Days

You're becoming a self caricature, jaydot... that sort of line would be pathetic for The Sun's online comments, let alone someone who's been in further education. I'd honestly suggest logging off for a few days and then coming back and reading through the posts you've made in here over the last 24 hours. If you're not embarrassed to your very core by them, I'd suggest you smash every record you own with any sort of immigrant influence, join Stormfront and/or throw yourself off a fucking bridge.

Alternatively, use your spare time to read some books on British history (I can recommend Simon Schama's series very highly) and THEN re-read your posts through the eyes of an informed person.

you know what's funny... I have an A* in GCSE English, did A Levels taught in English and am now doing a degree at a Uni of London but to become a British citizen I still have to take a £125 test to prove I know English not to mention another stupid test about the kings and queens of England, as if that's common knowledge

hey jaydot, answer this question since apparently all British people would know this WITHOUT GOOGLING:

Which Two of the following happened when William of Orange invaded England in 1688?
A) James II fled to France
B) There was a battle in which James II was killed
C) William became William III and reigned jointly with his wife Mary
D) William was attacked in the English Channel and his ship sank

Yeah, the test is hilarious. My lady got her citizenship late last year.

(I.e. She's British now jaydot; you can't TOUCH me with being biased. )

still waiting to hear from jaydot about any aspect of english culture which immigrants haven't contributed to

DJoe wrote:still waiting to hear from jaydot about any aspect of english culture which immigrants haven't contributed to

Roast beef?

Grade 1 clippers

Moaning?