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rachel wrote:

seckle wrote:

Rich_c90 wrote:

seckle wrote:seaman was missing from this world cup. might have made a difference for england if he was around.

lol, cos he did so well against the ronaldinho free kick in the last world cup!

well he was up there with barthez and buffon in terms of experience. robinson just wasn't up to scratch along side the big kids. he was a liability.

experience does not a decent player make - seaman in his last england days was rubbish. robinson not much better at this world cup but at least he's not david james. now there's a liability. actually england were generally full of liabilities - robinson, beckham, rooney, lampard (187 shots no goals and you want some respect??). and not least the manager...

Rich_c90 wrote:

Spaceboy wrote:innit-but-doe-but-innit. We've been dissed for being a french side, been dissed for having to many international players, the long and short of it is, arsenal have over the years had a french bias, thanks to Mr. Wenger, and alot of the current squad have played or play for Francenal.

I state again: only one of the current squad play for france. Only three of the france squad have ever played for arsenal. And i can only think of pires and anleka and petit (and thats going back a while) who've played for arsenal and france.

But i take the point.

Personally, i think that Wenger doesn't have bias against english players. I think he has a bias towards young, promising, reasonably priced players. And the sad fact is that any young english player with decent prospects gets massively over-priced. (£10m for jermaine jenas!?! Please!). The reason we've had a bias towards foriegn players is that they are typically alot cheaper (van persie cost £2.75m, for example) and typically have better control with fits our game. Find me an english player as good as tomas rosicky and i guarantee the price for him will be astronomical (£15/20m+) whereas we paid £7m for world class midfielder who's proven at the very highest level.

seckle wrote:

rachel wrote:

seckle wrote:

Rich_c90 wrote:

seckle wrote:seaman was missing from this world cup. might have made a difference for england if he was around.

lol, cos he did so well against the ronaldinho free kick in the last world cup!

well he was up there with barthez and buffon in terms of experience. robinson just wasn't up to scratch along side the big kids. he was a liability.

experience does not a decent player make - seaman in his last england days was rubbish. robinson not much better at this world cup but at least he's not david james. now there's a liability. actually england were generally full of liabilities - robinson, beckham, rooney, lampard (187 shots no goals and you want some respect??). and not least the manager...

i was just making the point that experience counts for quite a lot when it comes to world cup goal tending. you don't want someone that's going to be frazzled by penalties and end up jumping for everything and not playing it cool.

rachel wrote: interestingly, i read lehmann has access to a penalties database from his previous club re: who takes penalties and how. transferrred to the bit of paper he was looking at before the argentina penalties. so not all purely skills-based...

Marsyas wrote:portugal 3-2 in OT

obIwan wrote:

Marsyas wrote:portugal 3-2 in OT

Thats the face, thats the one that's in my nightmares

Rich_c90 wrote:

rachel wrote: interestingly, i read lehmann has access to a penalties database from his previous club re: who takes penalties and how. transferrred to the bit of paper he was looking at before the argentina penalties. so not all purely skills-based...

surely every goalkeeper worth their salt has obtained access to such information? If not (which, at least of the top teams, would surprise me), then they aren't doing their homework. If so, then there is an element of skill to it.

Paulie wrote:Cos he's shite-ing spurs scum?

obIwan wrote:
c)The other European fans have a neo-izan hooligan contingent now, but we pioneered that combination. People overheard England fans singing "I'd rather be a paki than a black". Polish and Russian hooligans actually admire the British for being the first, even though they'd kick the absolute shit out of us these days!

Which reminds me, why are there so many Polish in this country now, just because they're in the EU. Caribbeans and people from the Indian sub-continent have a real job (no pun) trying to get into/find work in Britain, and they did more for this country than the Polish ever did/will, not to mention were part of our non-compensated bloody evil empire, and fought in both world wars on our side! The Polish also have neo sizan in their government so you can't tell me that some of the economic migrants coming here won't have izan views. Fuck worrying about fundamental muslims, its Polish sizan I can't stand, what a stupid idea, they were invaded by the sizan! Blair is a fucking traitor. All the Poles will do, at the least, is make money from this country and leach it out. Caribbeans and Asians at least stick around, and we fucking owe them for slavery/colonialism/backing us up against Germany/Italy/Japan anyway!!!

rachel wrote: if all of them have the info then how do you explain paul robinson..?

Rich_c90 wrote:

rachel wrote: if all of them have the info then how do you explain paul robinson..?

The same way you explain why lampard - having scored a ton of goals for chelski this season - could hit a barn door at the world cup and why Terry - having looked the best defender in the world - made lots of mistakes: they all bottled it... like we always to. Too much pressure, made even worse by previous failures...

Paulie wrote:Robinson shat himself.