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jose, i might have mentioned this before but have u read the Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein? very good book

Haven't read it. Interesting. I think she only scratches the surface of what was done in those CIA experiments to create new personalities. Absolutely horrific stuff. I do think she completely misunderstands neoconservativism, they're hardly free market, their definitely fascist - the amalgamation of corporate and state power to destroy free markets.

And this concept of using shock to create a blank slate on which to write new agendas is hardly a new concept. It has been used previously, famously, in the french revolution, and goes by "ordo ab chao" and is a foundational motto of these "supreme gentlemen".

Without reading it, I'm just conjecturing, though. Really just sounds like socialist propaganda, though.

ISIL advertising for recruits on interweb.
I really wouldn't mind Oz Govt refusing to readmit such zealots,
even revoking citizenship on the basis of the priority of their commitment to another sovereign state.

I know there would be complications & hypocrisies involved but what do you reckon?

You guys hear about the @wikibaghdady Twitter account?

Now that's some interesting shit right there.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... ian-rebels

nowaysj wrote:Haven't read it. Interesting. I think she only scratches the surface of what was done in those CIA experiments to create new personalities. Absolutely horrific stuff. I do think she completely misunderstands neoconservativism, they're hardly free market, their definitely fascist - the amalgamation of corporate and state power to destroy free markets.

And this concept of using shock to create a blank slate on which to write new agendas is hardly a new concept. It has been used previously, famously, in the french revolution, and goes by "ordo ab chao" and is a foundational motto of these "supreme gentlemen".

Without reading it, I'm just conjecturing, though. Really just sounds like socialist propaganda, though.

i was more interested in the insider infoes about the things preceding the invasion of iraq

OGLemon wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... ian-rebels

jesus

how the fuck do you decide if a rebel is moderate or not??

taliban mk ii right here

...now he want to give hundreds of millions of tax dollars to add to the trillions already flushed down the toilet in order to kill more people who just want a peaceful life.

On the application for aid.
Pleas check one:
_ A. Extremist Rebel
_ B. Moderate Rebel
_ C. Syrian supporter
_ Please check if you accept the conditions for aid.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... on-victory

Ghani sounds corrupt

There have been a few skirmishes between federal authorities and unknown citizen forces in the High Sierra. You guys know I'm always trawling news sites and sources, some of them containing 'esoteric information' but even I had no knowledge of what was going on right here in my own state. Who knows what will come of this, fed authorities and local LEO are staging joint exercises in response, but I guess that old adage about the revolution not being televised might actually be true, at least for the beginning?!?!

nowaysj wrote:There have been a few skirmishes between federal authorities and unknown citizen forces in the High Sierra. You guys know I'm always trawling news sites and sources, some of them containing 'esoteric information' but even I had no knowledge of what was going on right here in my own state. Who knows what will come of this, fed authorities and local LEO are staging joint exercises in response, but I guess that old adage about the revolution not being televised might actually be true, at least for the beginning?!?!

Where?

Isis rebels declare 'Islamic state' in Iraq and Syria

It also proclaimed the group's leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as caliph and "leader for Muslims everywhere".

...

In a separate development, Israel called for the creation of an independent Kurdish state in response to the gain made by the Sunni rebels in Iraq.

I somehow don't think that will last, but a lot of rich Muslim Arabs are going to be interested I bet

I'm considering becoming a muslim so that I can submit to Al Bigdaddy's leadership.
A very attractive proposition for the sado-masochist in me.

Has anybody on here ever read the Qur'an?

I have skim read a fair bit of it and it is filled with hate and anger.

i got 2 copies, one kurdish and one in farsi iirc.. would love to read rm but cant understand

Quran.com innit.

And here's the obligatory trollbait:

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Top_10_Contro ... the_Qur'an

Not unlike those rules in the Bible that say when it's OK to commit infanticide, marry your cousins, burn your children as an offering, wage genocidal wars, have slaves, etc.

Or this gem:

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”

So now there's a faction of Anonymous involved. Mostly not that interesting except who they claim are entities directly providing material/moral support to ISIS: Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia plus Al Jazeera.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/anonym ... amic-state

I don't see how al Jazeera is in on this, I read it regularly and it appears critical of the ISIS AND the current Iraqi government. They've shut up about Assad though recently, though they were very critical of him before the rebels acquired a load of extremists amongst them.

the recent kidnapping of their journalist has scared them a bit i think

edit: oh wait cant remember if that was in middle east