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alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:I have not seen or experienced anything that would make me believe so. I , therefore, have nothing to prove.

what you need to prove is the point you make, what you say it's like "i have no contrary proves then i have nothing to prove"

a fact is not proved by lack of negative proves, unless there are affirmative proves too.

i brought you affirmative proves
where are yours?

djelements wrote:

alien pimp wrote:check a dictionary

It's a verb, not a noun.

alien pimp wrote:

djelements wrote:

alien pimp wrote:check a dictionary

It's a verb, not a noun.

obviously i meant proofs, just made a mistake
thanks! now focus on the ideas, maybe you want to contribute something good

hurlingdervish wrote:[its the lack of evidence that creates that stance, theres nothing to prove.

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:[its the lack of evidence that creates that stance, theres nothing to prove.

wrong. it's illogical. plus i brought you evidence, if it's not good enough you have to say why not, i just told you why your shit it's not, but you didn't yet provide affirmative proves to support your point, neither to support the idea my proofs are weak
basically all you provided is: "because i say so"

hurlingdervish wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:[its the lack of evidence that creates that stance, theres nothing to prove.

wrong. it's illogical. plus i brought you evidence, if it's not good enough you have to say why not, i just told you why your shit it's not, but you didn't yet provide affirmative proves to support your point, neither to support the idea my proofs are weak
basically all you provided is: "because i say so"

now you are getting silly
I'm saying I don't believe it till I see evidence.

THATS IT.

if you have a problem with that you might be catholic.

the artful dodger wrote:All he does is tell people what to do and he wins an award, how many people can do that and better but aint a politician? The world is fucked, i hate politics and celebs why do people worship them, politicans are the reason why there aint peace an celebs well they dont deserve half the power and money they get. Why dose a celeb get paid millions over a picture of a side boob while there are women and men out there that save lives everyday and get paid only 20 thousand a year!!

Genevieve wrote:Define 'puppet'?

However, Obama, like the presidents before him, got the most corporate backing out of any candidate running in 2008. Now, lemme put it like this, why would the corporations support someone who is in it for the people when you consider that corporations are only in it for making profit by any means necessary with no personal responsibility, except for the share holders?

magma wrote:Isn't this a bit like giving a pregnant woman a World's Best Mum award?

karmacazee wrote:A bit presumtuous methinks.

djelements wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

djelements wrote:

alien pimp wrote:check a dictionary

It's a verb, not a noun.

obviously i meant proofs, just made a mistake
thanks! now focus on the ideas, maybe you want to contribute something good

I don't believe in Obama, and I don't believe in the NWO. I just believe that something very fucked up is going on in the government, and it's up to the American people to do something about it.

Genevieve wrote:Define 'puppet'?

I'm sure that Obama ran with the best of intentions, every president does. Including Bush (yes, this is the same Bush that was the president of the USA for 8 years and this one doesn't stutter or trip over his own words, sounded like a president I could get behind right here). However, Obama, like the presidents before him, got the most corporate backing out of any candidate running in 2008. Now, lemme put it like this, why would the corporations support someone who is in it for the people when you consider that corporations are only in it for making profit by any means necessary with no personal responsibility, except for the share holders? Do corporations suddenly care for the people? The same corporations who control the Federal Reserve (watch the whole thing to understand the problem) that was solely created to control the USA's monetary system in favor of corporate interest?

I'm sure that Obama's going to try to do as much as he can, but he... can't. All he can do is project a certain morale into the population. Is he as weak as Bush? I don't know, he may or may not be, or maybe he's just a better liar, I don't know. But depending on your definition of 'puppet', he could very well be one. I have no opinion on that.

I don't believe in the NWO, I do believe that there's globalization and that corporations would like nothing more than a one world government with a single, imaginary, monetary system (hell, some of them even admitted that, I'm paraphrasing them here). However, I don't think there's some huge ass plot to enslave mankind to the corporations, who have been planning this for hundreds of years in secret back rooms. I've gotta say, though, that globalization is a bad idea and very real and that the problem we face in the world today aren't because of free market capitalism, quite on the contrary. It's big governments allowing corporations (corporations are contradictory to 'free marketism') to control the monetary system and the market.

So far, Obama hasn't proven that he's not going down the same road that many others before him have.

magma wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Define 'puppet'?

I'm sure that Obama ran with the best of intentions, every president does. Including Bush (yes, this is the same Bush that was the president of the USA for 8 years and this one doesn't stutter or trip over his own words, sounded like a president I could get behind right here). However, Obama, like the presidents before him, got the most corporate backing out of any candidate running in 2008. Now, lemme put it like this, why would the corporations support someone who is in it for the people when you consider that corporations are only in it for making profit by any means necessary with no personal responsibility, except for the share holders? Do corporations suddenly care for the people? The same corporations who control the Federal Reserve (watch the whole thing to understand the problem) that was solely created to control the USA's monetary system in favor of corporate interest?

I'm sure that Obama's going to try to do as much as he can, but he... can't. All he can do is project a certain morale into the population. Is he as weak as Bush? I don't know, he may or may not be, or maybe he's just a better liar, I don't know. But depending on your definition of 'puppet', he could very well be one. I have no opinion on that.

I don't believe in the NWO, I do believe that there's globalization and that corporations would like nothing more than a one world government with a single, imaginary, monetary system (hell, some of them even admitted that, I'm paraphrasing them here). However, I don't think there's some huge ass plot to enslave mankind to the corporations, who have been planning this for hundreds of years in secret back rooms. I've gotta say, though, that globalization is a bad idea and very real and that the problem we face in the world today aren't because of free market capitalism, quite on the contrary. It's big governments allowing corporations (corporations are contradictory to 'free marketism') to control the monetary system and the market.

So far, Obama hasn't proven that he's not going down the same road that many others before him have.

All of this.

I still think it's a VERY positive thing for America's relations with the rest of the world that a man like Obama's in charge... I think he sets a good tone for the country's communication and their image around the world, but you're right, he needs to prove that he's got the spine to back up his promises of "Change". I'd like to think there was still time, and there is... I'm a sucker for a man rising to the challenge, but you wonder whether he will...

hurlingdervish wrote:I haven't even said what I believe.

Genevieve wrote:
By championing 'diplomacy' over 'brute force', but still being an ally to Israel and Israeli interests (which is not good for Palestinians, which is the root of the problems we've been facing since 9/11) and prolonging the nation building policies of Bush in Afghanistan and let's not forget, having the same secretary of defense as George Bush, he's going to have a very, very hard time proving he's much different from past presidents. Republican or Democrat.

metalboxproducts wrote:

karmacazee wrote:A bit presumtuous methinks.

It sums up the times we are living in really. He's won it on the grounds of being the 1st mixed race pres and before he has time to show his true (no pun intended) colours.

wormcode wrote:

metalboxproducts wrote:

karmacazee wrote:A bit presumtuous methinks.

It sums up the times we are living in really. He's won it on the grounds of being the 1st mixed race pres and before he has time to show his true (no pun intended) colours.

Yeah, on both sides of the argument. His biggest critics say "he hasn't changed anything!" blah blah, but it hasn't even been a year, and 3 1/2 or so more to go.. and most likely 4 more after that, especially if the competition is going to be the way it was last election. I dunno what people were expecting, but i'm pretty sure everyone in the know said it would be close to a decade before major changes even start to happen, even Obama himself. Things were/are pretty fucked, and they didn't get fucked overnight, it was several years of a downward spiral, and just the same they can't be fixed any quicker.. if anything it will take twice as long.