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Well, seeing as he wrote the book and made the film when he was about to die as a way of "setting the record straight", it's worth a look. It's one of the better films on politics I've ever seen.

I'm not asking you to believe every word he says... but blocking out information is pretty illogical. Have a listen to him, dismiss him if you want.... but not listen? Well, that's just not very constructive, is it?

He's not trying to tell you what happened was "right" in the slightest. In fact, he's pretty ashamed of mistakes that were made.... he breaks down in tears talking about a lot of it. It's really worth it for an insight into quite how "human" people in positions of power are... they bungle and make mistakes, believe false intelligence and have to make incredible decisions under massively pressured circumstances - it's a wonder nobody launched a Nuke in the 60s... it's actually more a matter of luck than anything else that they didn't.


Edit: It's also worth it for the recordings of conversations between McNamara and Kennedy. Hearing the villianised McNamara disuade the venerated Kennedy from launching Nukes is quite a turn up for the books.

My parents generation hated him with a passion we reserve for people like Cheyney these days... I bought Dad the Fog of War for Christmas, it'll be interesting to see what he makes of it.

fair, ill give a listen, still very skeptical though

hackman wrote:fair, ill give a listen, still very skeptical though

It might help if I tell you it's framed as a "11 Lessons"... essentially, it's reaching out to current administrations, imploring them to learn from their predecessors' mistakes... benefits of experience etc.

If you react anything like me, you'll wonder why all the same mistakes are being repeated even though people like McNamara are trying to make sure they're not.

I always like to at least hear what the people involved in situations have to say for themselves... commentators and pundits are all well and good, but there's only a handful of people who were actually there.... and when they're clearly close to the end, they tend to be a bit more candid than when they're on the White House payroll.

It won a lot of awards, so it's probably worth it just from a film-fan perspective:

Best Documentary Feature - 2003 Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Scie
Best Documentary - 2003 Chicago Film Critics Association
Best Documentary - 2003 Los Angeles Film Critics Association
Best Documentary - 2003 National Board of Review
Best Documentary Feature - 2003 Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Scie
Best Documentary - 2003 Independent Spirit Awards
Best Documentary - 2004 Toronto Film Critics Association

I'm going to stop shamelessly plugging it now... but it really is one of the best films I've seen in the last couple of years.

I heard people calling for more threads like this. So decided to resurect this...

Did you do a search for "conspiracy" in the snh? The legit threads had crazy titles, but searching for threads with posts that both contain "pyramid" and "ufo" is a start. Searching w/in the snh for posts by christophera and parsons and any of his other account names wouldn't hurt.

This thread is benign.

nope, was scrolling through my old posts and saw this by chance...

Thought there were some interesting bits in here. Dont really feel like getting into crazy shit territory, and the "True" aspect of this is what I like...