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Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:40 pm**

hackman wrote:oh man

What, are you seriously telling me you know better than a fucking $1.5 million study over four years conducted by expert psychs?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:45 pm**

Do you really think violent video games create violent people? How come all my friends have played violent video games and watched extremely violent movies their whole life, but are all peaceniks? My older brothers used to get me to watch slasher flicks when I was about 5 or 6 years old... I've watched some of the most intense movies you'll ever see, but I haven't thrown a punch since I was about 13 (and that was to stop someone bullying a younger friend on the bus).

I've also got a formidable collection of Tartan Extreme DVDs, but I've never had the urge to cut someone's face off.

Why is it that, if it's video games and movies causing problems (which are available to all kids) that it tends to be those from difficult upbringings, broken homes and poor surroundings that end up with violent crime problems?

What about violent music? Grime? Should we ban grime? Gangsta rap? What about all the music that the Columbine kids listened to - how come it's the video games and movies, but not the music?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:49 pm**

borrowed wrote:
hackman wrote:oh man
What, are you seriously telling me you know better than a fucking $1.5 million study over four years conducted by expert psychs?

yes

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:49 pm**

borrowed wrote:
hackman wrote:oh man
What, are you seriously telling me you know better than a fucking $1.5 million study over four years conducted by expert psychs?

you need to chill.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:32 pm**

um.

fuck what u guys are talkin about, that video was fuckin badass. so nice watchin that "tough guy" get knocked on his pussy.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:07 pm**

magma wrote:Do you really think violent video games create violent people? How come all my friends have played violent video games and watched extremely violent movies their whole life, but are all peaceniks? My older brothers used to get me to watch slasher flicks when I was about 5 or 6 years old... I've watched some of the most intense movies you'll ever see, but I haven't thrown a punch since I was about 13 (and that was to stop someone bullying a younger friend on the bus).

I've also got a formidable collection of Tartan Extreme DVDs, but I've never had the urge to cut someone's face off.

Why is it that, if it's video games and movies causing problems (which are available to all kids) that it tends to be those from difficult upbringings, broken homes and poor surroundings that end up with violent crime problems?

What about violent music? Grime? Should we ban grime? Gangsta rap? What about all the music that the Columbine kids listened to - how come it's the video games and movies, but not the music?

I don't know who you're replying to, but I'm agreeing. I've been saying we're less violent than ever.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:39 pm**

borrowed wrote:I've been saying we're less violent than ever.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:08 pm**

I think the biggest bullshit part of fighting is the illusion of 'dirty fighting'. I don't want to fight, so if people start an unreasonable attack I think it's fine to own them in anyway possible. Got that sick of Nottingham's muggers one wound up with a set of keys stuck in his neck

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:30 pm**

gwa wrote:
borrowed wrote:
magma wrote:There's quite a clear line for me between organised fighting in rings/gyms and random fights in public. This was clearly pretty unpleasant and undesireable behaviour from both blokes who need to get their anger sorted out in other places - perhaps rings and gyms!
Well, you'll be happy to know they're having a Strikeforce sponsored event complete with medical staff and refs, in which these two men will fight again.

To be honest though, if you move away from someone on the bus and then they follow you to give you a slap; they deserve to get beaten down. Kid thought that an old man was an easy touch and tried to push it as far as he could.... a sensible boy wouldn't be doing it again; lesson learned.
Agreed. Fights exist to clear up such indifferences.
fights dont exist to clear up indifferences, resorting to violence to settle an arguement shows lack of intelligence and generally speaking, a dickhead

this in a nut shell.

However, I am tempted to disagree with the video games / films causing violence, I think it's probably more down to the inequality's in society - people see other people doing better than them and they can't seem to find a way to get to that position themselves - they need guidance and education and a more equal society to have hope and give a shot without treading on anyone else. This society may lead to people glorifying violence in it's self, and thus wanting to watch and play violent films/games. I dunno I may be wrong, I can only see this from my viewpoint, but I played a hell of a lot GTA when I was in primary school and I'm a pacifist.

People always use Branson as a "look what he did all on his own" type example, the man is paying fuck all tax and living a life of luxury he is anything but a role model! (don't know how I jumped topics to that... anyway, as you were)

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:47 pm**

gwa wrote:fights dont exist to clear up indifferences, resorting to violence to settle an arguement shows lack of intelligence and generally speaking, a dickhead

This is my thought on fighting genrally, all fighting like that really accomplishes is displaying a complete lack of control. To me it takes more of a man to settle differences with words. Although not to disrespect martial arts as most forms, as i am aware, employ the importance of self control and i do admire the athleticism involved in mastering such practices, i'm talking more about losing control through anger and hatred towards someone else and punching their face in. To do that requires nothing but an inhibited ability to keep a lid on your own emotions when appropriate which i would have thought is something necessary to function in society at all.

Then again i say all this but admittedly i'm not overly sensitive when it comes to most of this and i can watch some of the youtube videos in the context of a joke and if i saw that in real life i may laugh in the sense of thinking "oh my god, what a dick".

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:58 pm**

borrowed wrote:
hackman wrote:
Conic wrote:
hackman wrote:how much more desensitised to violence can we get?
Alot more sensitive to violence now than ever. It would be normal for people to see a mans head chopped off and stuck on a pole for everyone to see 2000 years ago, along with alot worse things than that. Not once since then has it been better than it is now.
bull
The man makes a point.

Hell, up until the 1920s, men boxed barehanded and executions were publicized. Since the rise of suburbia in the last fifty years, people have gotten more and more uptight on violence. Real life violence has fallen drastically, and entertainment violence has gone up.

I suppose you could say that violence is more institutionalized now. Ideologically we as a people are more conditioned to accept violence only in pre-determined cases and to actively endorse its acceptable contexts. The law outlines the extent to which an individual has the right (permission) to use physical force. The hardcore violence is monopolized by the heads with helmets

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:41 pm**

EBM FTW

That video is great, mouthy prick got a beatdown and deserved it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:51 pm**

Eeeerrr, let's keep in mind that most of us are fairly intelligent, educated individuals. Diplomacy isn't something natural to human beings, considering we are just animals. Rival cats aren't going to sit down and have a chat and a cuppa about their problems, and neither would cavemen. We're taught to settle our differences through words by whatever society and parents we find ourselves with. Some people aren't able to get this, so when you see two uneducated gangsters duking it out, don't expect them to say - oh, let's go grab a coffee and talk about it. /not trying to sound bigoted at all.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:00 pm**

yeah alot of you sound way to idealistic and have probably never seen some real shit go down in your life. sometimes people get beat up. it's not as complex as you're making it out to seem, and we as people as a whole aren't as advanced as you'd like to think

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:47 pm**

borrowed wrote:
hackman wrote:it's such a shame that this is now the norm
how much more desensitised to violence can we get?
in any normal world, no-one would watch that and find it "awesome"
Considering I have been doing MMA and traditional martial arts for the better part of my life, I find it ridiculous that anyone would find this appalling. If we can't let two men settle their differences in the most simple, effective way possible, what kind of nancy pansy people have we become?

lol

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:54 pm**

tacospheros wrote:yeah alot of you sound way to idealistic and have probably never seen some real shit go down in your life. sometimes people get beat up. it's not as complex as you're making it out to seem, and we as people as a whole aren't as advanced as you'd like to think

qft
we are but beasts. awesome fighting beasts

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:07 pm**

lloydnoise wrote:
tacospheros wrote:yeah alot of you sound way to idealistic and have probably never seen some real shit go down in your life. sometimes people get beat up. it's not as complex as you're making it out to seem, and we as people as a whole aren't as advanced as you'd like to think
qft
we are but beasts. awesome fighting beasts

Not to mention that some people deserve a good old fashioned fucking slap.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:11 pm**

fuagofire wrote:
lloydnoise wrote:
tacospheros wrote:yeah alot of you sound way to idealistic and have probably never seen some real shit go down in your life. sometimes people get beat up. it's not as complex as you're making it out to seem, and we as people as a whole aren't as advanced as you'd like to think
qft
we are but beasts. awesome fighting beasts
Not to mention that some people deserve a good old fashioned fucking slap.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:09 pm**

fuagofire wrote:
lloydnoise wrote:
tacospheros wrote:yeah alot of you sound way to idealistic and have probably never seen some real shit go down in your life. sometimes people get beat up. it's not as complex as you're making it out to seem, and we as people as a whole aren't as advanced as you'd like to think
qft
we are but beasts. awesome fighting beasts
Not to mention that some people deserve a good old fashioned fucking slap.

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:53 am**

Young guy hits older guy, older guys drops younger guy in self defense.

Nothing left to see here.

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