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Watched the whole thing. Goes on about cutting frequency's out, which I already do.deadly habit wrote: heh watch whole thing
been a min since i seen it might not be theirs
as i recall they are using like 10 layers of drum hits for that beat
covers basic enveloping and eq work too
k say with what you want to do layering kicks to sound like oneserox wrote:Watched the whole thing. Goes on about cutting frequency's out, which I already do.deadly habit wrote: heh watch whole thing
been a min since i seen it might not be theirs
as i recall they are using like 10 layers of drum hits for that beat
covers basic enveloping and eq work too
It is just a 10 channel drum beat they are going over, nothing new imo.
Not sure what you mean with the enveloping?
he's on the forum.I never boost frequency's so dont know much about it. But wouldn't you just boost the thumping point on the 808? doing that makes me think it will just be fake and sound weak.deadly habit wrote: k say with what you want to do layering kicks to sound like one
use the adsr envelope to get the punch from the 909 and the oomph from 808
then gain structure them so it sounds like one hit
thank youSharmaji wrote:folks are making this WAAY too complicated.
pretty sure Loe is software-only, so toss the hardware compressor theory out the window unless yr talking mastering.
sounds like parallel comp to me-- set up a compressor w/ very slow attack, pretty fast release, and a high ratio, like 8:1 or so. bring the threhold down until it turns the 808 into a huge, knocking thunk. dial that into the orig sound.
don't hear much saturation, and it doesn't sound super-eq'd.
there's a ton of mastering compression on there as well-- you should ask J transition about this one in particlar, since it came out on Ringo i'd imagine he had a lot to do with it
Agreed. I recon it is easy to do when you know how:)Sharmaji wrote:folks are making this WAAY too complicated.
pretty sure Loe is software-only, so toss the hardware compressor theory out the window unless yr talking mastering.
sounds like parallel comp to me-- set up a compressor w/ very slow attack, pretty fast release, and a high ratio, like 8:1 or so. bring the threhold down until it turns the 808 into a huge, knocking thunk. dial that into the orig sound.
don't hear much saturation, and it doesn't sound super-eq'd.
there's a ton of mastering compression on there as well-- you should ask J transition about this one in particlar, since it came out on Ringo i'd imagine he had a lot to do with it
hardware has a certain sound for trained ears hehserox wrote:Agreed. I recon it is easy to do when you know how:)Sharmaji wrote:folks are making this WAAY too complicated.
pretty sure Loe is software-only, so toss the hardware compressor theory out the window unless yr talking mastering.
sounds like parallel comp to me-- set up a compressor w/ very slow attack, pretty fast release, and a high ratio, like 8:1 or so. bring the threhold down until it turns the 808 into a huge, knocking thunk. dial that into the orig sound.
don't hear much saturation, and it doesn't sound super-eq'd.
there's a ton of mastering compression on there as well-- you should ask J transition about this one in particlar, since it came out on Ringo i'd imagine he had a lot to do with it
Not sure how to setup the NY style comp in FL, I do in Reason tho.
Will find him now!
How can you tell there is mastering comp?
gah forgot his user name since he rarely postsserox wrote:cant find user "J transition"
I was.Sharmaji wrote: pretty sure Loe is software-only, so toss the hardware compressor theory out the window unless yr talking mastering.
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I was playing around with compressions with the 808 loads and it only squashed the sound or made it bigger or more subby. It does not give the thump to it at all. So I dont see how having two of them, 1 compressed and one dry will change this?Sharmaji wrote:folks are making this WAAY too complicated.
pretty sure Loe is software-only, so toss the hardware compressor theory out the window unless yr talking mastering.
sounds like parallel comp to me-- set up a compressor w/ very slow attack, pretty fast release, and a high ratio, like 8:1 or so. bring the threhold down until it turns the 808 into a huge, knocking thunk. dial that into the orig sound.
don't hear much saturation, and it doesn't sound super-eq'd.
there's a ton of mastering compression on there as well-- you should ask J transition about this one in particlar, since it came out on Ringo i'd imagine he had a lot to do with it
at work now mate but will give it ago as soon as I get home!Sharmaji wrote:settings? screenshots an' ting.
depends on the material going thru the compressor-- if we're talking 808s, you'd want a fast enough release that it stops compressing after the main attack of the sound, but not so fast that it distorts.. and not so slow that it's smooth compression. we're looking for smack here.jsills wrote:^^ someone correct me if im wrong but the compressor should be on a bus and the quick release time means the compressor is only effecting the very front of the kik, or the punch part you are looking to enhance
I was trying to do this but it was not giving the punch at all:) i have been playing with the compressor for ages and it doesnt seem to do the same thing to the sound. It is very possible I dont know how to do it right tho:)Sharmaji wrote:depends on the material going thru the compressor-- if we're talking 808s, you'd want a fast enough release that it stops compressing after the main attack of the sound, but not so fast that it distorts.. and not so slow that it's smooth compression. we're looking for smack here.jsills wrote:^^ someone correct me if im wrong but the compressor should be on a bus and the quick release time means the compressor is only effecting the very front of the kik, or the punch part you are looking to enhance
the nice thing about parallel compression is that you can really exaggerate the compression, get pumping and breathing which would never be acceptable as the only final outcome-- and then dial that in, so that it become a part of the sound-- but not the whole sound.
TBH there's plenty of compressor plugs out there these days that have wet/dry balances so that you can do parallel comp with just one plug-- no need to set up extra busses, pre-fader sends and all that jazz. Logic's internal plug has a 'mix' function, as does vintagewarmer, as does my ever-favorite stillwell audio Rocket.
