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eventualdecline wrote:I'm a big fan of Skream but I hope you guys realise that it's just an arpeggiator and a couple 64th note rolls, in the latter half of the track the synths are reversed or he has upped the attack and reduced the sustain and decay to 0... nothing ground breaking there.

the point for me is not the technique, its the context, and the impact. in a scene increasingly dominated by earth-shuddering bass, or hyper-lfo'd midrange basslines, he's stepped back and made a tune which relies on subtlety. hearing this in the context of fwd, i could hardly believe what i was hearing. and melodically its just so joyous, so unashamedly uplifting and light

that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

elgato wrote:

eventualdecline wrote:I'm a big fan of Skream but I hope you guys realise that it's just an arpeggiator and a couple 64th note rolls, in the latter half of the track the synths are reversed or he has upped the attack and reduced the sustain and decay to 0... nothing ground breaking there.

the point for me is not the technique, its the context, and the impact. in a scene increasingly dominated by earth-shuddering bass, or hyper-lfo'd midrange basslines, he's stepped back and made a tune which relies on subtlety. hearing this in the context of fwd, i could hardly believe what i was hearing. and melodically its just so joyous, so unashamedly uplifting and light

that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

:script:

elgato wrote:that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

The counter point is, if someone else made the tune you wouldn't be raving about it. Most people wouldn't give it the time of day, but since it's Skream it's revolutionary...

I can see both sides. Skream making an arpeggiated electro-synth flavoured tune is hardly novel but how complex, or not, a tunes programming is doesn't really factor into how good it is imo. Sitting on the fence

jim wrote:I can see both sides. Skream making an arpeggiated electro-synth flavoured tune is hardly novel but how complex, or not, a tunes programming is doesn't really factor into how good it is imo. Sitting on the fence

Yeah ultimately that's what I'm trying to say, I only went into technique because people compared it to Autechre which is nuts.

eventualdecline wrote:

elgato wrote:that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

The counter point is, if someone else made the tune you wouldn't be raving about it. Most people wouldn't give it the time of day, but since it's Skream it's revolutionary...

eventualdecline wrote:

elgato wrote:that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

The counter point is, if someone else made the tune you wouldn't be raving about it. Most people wouldn't give it the time of day, but since it's Skream it's revolutionary...

i heard it at fwd and went crazy for it, and i didnt know who it was. i listened to the plastician show as soon as i could to hear it, and went crazy for it, and didnt know who it was. he didnt say who it was until after the track. thats why i tried to maintain the anonymity

point is, for me (i cant speak for anyone else), the track stood out a mile, regardless of the producer behind it

eventualdecline wrote:it's just an arpeggiator and a couple 64th note rolls...

No its not...

Just thought you should know that no arpeg was used in the track.. (as you went into technique!)

eventualdecline wrote:

elgato wrote:that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

The counter point is, if someone else made the tune you wouldn't be raving about it. Most people wouldn't give it the time of day, but since it's Skream it's revolutionary...

you've done it now.

DUTTY RIDDIM!!

big up SKREAM every time! Ya done know he smashes it EVERY time!!!

Hijak wrote:No its not...

Just thought you should know that no arpeg was used in the track.. (as you went into technique!)

Doesn't matter, it's an arpeggiated sound. Here's the definition of the word: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arpeggiated

the sounding of the notes of a chord in rapid succession instead of simultaneously.

You're moving the goalposts somewhat there! You said it was an arpeggiator, it wasn't, doesn't mean you were correct because it was an arpeggio!

jim wrote:Your moving the goalposts somewhat there! You said it was an arpeggiator, it wasn't, doesn't mean you were correct because it was an arpeggio!

It just seems like a moot point, you could make the same sound with an arpeggiator. How anal do you really want to get on verbage? At anyrate I think Skream is an amazing producer as well as Hijak. I've said all I wanted to about this track.

hatsudai wrote:

ac23 wrote:can someone PLEASE clip this. my real player dont work properly

should be able to get it here:

http://files.filefront.com/PlasticianRa ... einfo.html

haven't tried it but it should be alrigh

wicked
Bigup bro!

when are you coming home to VJ to dubstep

doLLy wrote:

eventualdecline wrote:

elgato wrote:that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

The counter point is, if someone else made the tune you wouldn't be raving about it. Most people wouldn't give it the time of day, but since it's Skream it's revolutionary...

haha fuck off, we're blasting it loud now, had to read the thread to figure out who it was.

skream, rude producer.

depresses me sometimes how quickly something beautiful becomes tarnished when its entrails are fucking picked over on a forum...

wtf is wrong with arpeggiation now?

elgato wrote:

eventualdecline wrote:I'm a big fan of Skream but I hope you guys realise that it's just an arpeggiator and a couple 64th note rolls, in the latter half of the track the synths are reversed or he has upped the attack and reduced the sustain and decay to 0... nothing ground breaking there.

the point for me is not the technique, its the context, and the impact. in a scene increasingly dominated by earth-shuddering bass, or hyper-lfo'd midrange basslines, he's stepped back and made a tune which relies on subtlety. hearing this in the context of fwd, i could hardly believe what i was hearing. and melodically its just so joyous, so unashamedly uplifting and light

that comment is so irritating i can hardly bear it, as if musical innovation is solely governed by technique

INNIT.

juliun_c90 wrote:depresses me sometimes how quickly something beautiful becomes tarnished when its entrails are fucking picked over on a forum...

wtf is wrong with arpeggiation now?

You get depressed when someone doesn't agree with everyone else about a track?

criticism is open to criticism. its ridiculous that in so many critics eyes, any questioning of their criticism is just reactionary orthodoxy and thus invalid

i think he was saying that when he hears a thing of beauty, which is being celebrated, to have someone bowl through chatting about attack sustain and delay, and how simple (and therefore weak) it is is, is frustrating and tarnishing

thats how i feel anyways

elgato wrote:criticism is open to criticism. its ridiculous that in so many critics eyes, any questioning of their criticism is just reactionary orthodoxy and thus invalid

i think he was saying that when he hears a thing of beauty, which is being celebrated, to have someone bowl through chatting about attack sustain and delay, and how simple (and therefore weak) it is is, is frustrating and tarnishing

thats how i feel anyways

True but lets put things into perspective:

I didn't say the track was crap, I said "nothing ground breaking there".

Now some dude is depressed...

I don't want to think of what may have happened if I thought the track was shit... would have to put some people on suicide watch...