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That is not what I call Techno ^
That is House.

This is Techno.

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jamez3 wrote:I meant on youtube I'm not from Berlin or anything
I fear the days of me chompping a bucket load of mitzus and pumping my fist rythmically for eight hours are gone for ever!

Still no cameras allowed in Berghain so good luck with that.

The club has gone downhill, but more in the atmosphere than the bookings - apart from the odd dodgy label night the music is still generally top notch. But the place is *definitely* nothing like it was the first time I went a few years ago. Back then I would have said the ridiculous door policy was kind of justified in order to preserve the kind of free-for-all atmosphere they had going on inside; nowadays there's hardly any point. It's still a great space and the crowd is, well, alright, but these days it just feels like any other big club (albeit more industrial and with a fairly consistently strong music policy). Tresor on the other hand is a complete writeoff; I don't think anyone who's serious about electronic music really went there after it reopened. From what I can gather it's now just full of rowdy tourists.

By "the Berghain sound" I was referring to people like Ben Klock, Marcel Dettmann, Shed (esp. his stuff as EQD and WAX), Norman Nodge, Marcel Fengler, DJ Pete, Function/Regis/Sandwell District, etc.

damagedgoods wrote: Still no cameras allowed in Berghain so good luck with that.

The club has gone downhill, but more in the atmosphere than the bookings - apart from the odd dodgy label night the music is still generally top notch. But the place is *definitely* nothing like it was the first time I went a few years ago. Back then I would have said the ridiculous door policy was kind of justified in order to preserve the kind of free-for-all atmosphere they had going on inside; nowadays there's hardly any point. It's still a great space and the crowd is, well, alright, but these days it just feels like any other big club (albeit more industrial and with a fairly consistently strong music policy). Tresor on the other hand is a complete writeoff; I don't think anyone who's serious about electronic music really went there after it reopened. From what I can gather it's now just full of rowdy tourists.
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Its a shame. Tresor is a big label and the club was known world wide. Berghain had some wild shit going on there and it reminds me of LOST in London from the 90s where things got wild.

I remember reading a review of the club where some bloke said he was dancing on the mainfloor and thought he was being hosed down with water. He looked up after some time to see loads of gay skinheads pissing on everyone. He didnt care, the music was banging and everyone just carried on.

HEHE

serox wrote:

damagedgoods wrote: Still no cameras allowed in Berghain so good luck with that.

The club has gone downhill, but more in the atmosphere than the bookings - apart from the odd dodgy label night the music is still generally top notch. But the place is *definitely* nothing like it was the first time I went a few years ago. Back then I would have said the ridiculous door policy was kind of justified in order to preserve the kind of free-for-all atmosphere they had going on inside; nowadays there's hardly any point. It's still a great space and the crowd is, well, alright, but these days it just feels like any other big club (albeit more industrial and with a fairly consistently strong music policy). Tresor on the other hand is a complete writeoff; I don't think anyone who's serious about electronic music really went there after it reopened. From what I can gather it's now just full of rowdy tourists.
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Its a shame. Tresor is a big label and the club was known world wide. Berghain had some wild shit going on there and it reminds me of LOST in London from the 90s where things got wild.

I remember reading a review of the club where some bloke said he was dancing on the mainfloor and thought he was being hosed down with water. He looked up after some time to see loads of gay skinheads pissing on everyone. He didnt care, the music was banging and everyone just carried on.

HEHE

Yeah, that's about right. Tbh, the gay crowd kind of *was* the atmosphere in there, and frankly they partied a lot harder than the current herd of attractive, clean, straight techno tourists. I mean, don't get me wrong, getting fisted on the dancefloor isn't something I generally submit to, but I did like the fact that you could clearly indulge in whatever the fuck you wanted (except violence) and nobody would bat an eyelid.

edit: double post

damagedgoods wrote:
Yeah, that's about right. Tbh, the gay crowd kind of *was* the atmosphere in there, and frankly they partied a lot harder than the current herd of attractive, clean, straight techno tourists. I mean, don't get me wrong, getting fisted on the dancefloor isn't something I generally submit to, but I did like the fact that you could clearly indulge in whatever the fuck you wanted (except violence) and nobody would bat an eyelid.

Agreed.

france




"By "the Berghain sound" I was referring to people like Ben Klock, Marcel Dettmann, Shed (esp. his stuff as EQD and WAX), Norman Nodge, Marcel Fengler, DJ Pete, Function/Regis/Sandwell District, etc." no I understood you were talking about a sound mate, look forward to checking out some of the producers I haven't heard of that you mentioned. I like shed, always thought regis was overated tbh.

"You shouldn't need drugs if you like the music." I kind of find techno and MDMA a little bit like rich tea biscuits and a cupa, wheras dubstep's a little bit more like hot chocolate.

Oh and I could see Space Destroy Energy killing it in a club.
J

^Vitalic is a don.

Rob Hood is a techno don to me. Jeff Mills too. Surgeon's mixes are pretty dope and he's had a lot of good tunes.

I'm a total electro head, and I'm not talking about that electro-house that gets passed off as electro these days. Pisses me off, how can you just appropriate a name of a genre that's been around for about 30 years? Maybe it's just like people trying to call dubstep dub.

EZ

mks wrote:Rob Hood is a techno don to me. Jeff Mills too. Surgeon's mixes are pretty dope and he's had a lot of good tunes.

I'm a total electro head, and I'm not talking about that electro-house that gets passed off as electro these days. Pisses me off, how can you just appropriate a name of a genre that's been around for about 30 years? Maybe it's just like people trying to call dubstep dub.

EZ

Oh it is exactly like that. It is supposed to be Electro HOUSE not Electro same DubSTEP not Dub. It is very annoying. What if someone said they like the Tech? That would be confusing.

jamez3 wrote: Oh and I could see Space Destroy Energy killing it in a club.

thanks man

mks wrote:
I'm a total electro head, and I'm not talking about that electro-house that gets passed off as electro these days. Pisses me off, how can you just appropriate a name of a genre that's been around for about 30 years? Maybe it's just like people trying to call dubstep dub.

EZ

Word.

Electro is this.




Not this fluffy House rubbish the kids are on now days lol

damagedgoods wrote: Conversely, when people talk about dubstep or dnb being "samey", they usually mean "nowadays all the tracks are just really loud with lots of wobble" -- and since nobody's really playing dubstep to put the crowd into a trance, the sameyness isn't such a good thing.

nobody plays dubstep to put the crowd into a trance? on the contrary i think dubstep really lends itself to altered states, w/ or w/o artificial stimuli. ive spent a lot of time in basements just purifyin, crowd's 50-60 strong, christmas lights on the walls all dimmed from the smoke.. sometimes i find myself slowing tracks down even, to about 110-ish.. one that i can never resist draggin right here:



talk about a hazy vibe..

"nobody plays dubstep to put the crowd into a trance? on the contrary i think dubstep really lends itself to altered states, w/ or w/o artificial stimuli. ive spent a lot of time in basements just purifyin, crowd's 50-60 strong, christmas lights on the walls all dimmed from the smoke.. sometimes i find myself slowing tracks down even, to about 110-ish.. one that i can never resist draggin right here:"
Obviously we all love dustep/bass music that's why we're here but the fact that a lot of techno tunes are essentialy very slowly evolving rhythmical groves based around the 4/4 kick makes them effectively DJ tools to create seemless mixes that felt more like one long track, and also lends itself more to using effects, scratching, playing 2 records out of time etc. This is opposed to dubstep which is more bass focussed and where a good set is more about having loads of cool tunes played back to back,. Watching the likes of Clark or Hawtin DJ back in the day felt like much more than watching one tune mixed into the next. I feel that techno at it's best in a club makes you feel like you're all insects in a hive or some shit, but in a realy good way. But again, that was probably largely drug related.
If anyone has any examples of realy cool contempory techno/elecro please post up.

jamez3 wrote:"nobody plays dubstep to put the crowd into a trance? on the contrary i think dubstep really lends itself to altered states, w/ or w/o artificial stimuli. ive spent a lot of time in basements just purifyin, crowd's 50-60 strong, christmas lights on the walls all dimmed from the smoke.. sometimes i find myself slowing tracks down even, to about 110-ish.. one that i can never resist draggin right here:"
Obviously we all love dustep/bass music that's why we're here but the fact that a lot of techno tunes are essentialy very slowly evolving rhythmical groves based around the 4/4 kick makes them effectively DJ tools to create seemless mixes that felt more like one long track, and also lends itself more to using effects, scratching, playing 2 records out of time etc. This is opposed to dubstep which is more bass focussed and where a good set is more about having loads of cool tunes played back to back,. Watching the likes of Clark or Hawtin DJ back in the day felt like much more than watching one tune mixed into the next. I feel that techno at it's best in a club makes you feel like you're all insects in a hive or some shit, but in a realy good way. But again, that was probably largely drug related.
If anyone has any examples of realy cool contempory techno/elecro please post up.

Was going to post a reply but this pretty much sums up what I would've said.

glad to see this has developed into a nice discussion, plenty of good links to keep me occupied aswell

Some tight sound design on this one without getting too "nice" and pretty, make sure you watch in HQ (stereo)...

damagedgoods wrote:

Some tight sound design on this one without getting too "nice" and pretty, make sure you watch in HQ (stereo)...

not bad but it sounds like a 1 bar loop!

serox wrote:

damagedgoods wrote:

Some tight sound design on this one without getting too "nice" and pretty, make sure you watch in HQ (stereo)...

not bad but it sounds like a 1 bar loop!

ha, yeah, but it is a DJ tool and that's kinda the point. It's got enough intricacy to maintain interest for 5 minutes while still feeling loop-based. Did you watch it in 480? it's pretty shit otherwise...