Re: .
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:32 pm
can we say shady 
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Re: .
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:42 pm
Whats a 360 deal?
Re: .
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:52 pm
it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
Re: .
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:03 am
You learn something new everydaydeadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
Re: .
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:09 am
They also receive a percentage from 5-25% from what you earn at shows, anything you publish (though not many of us write books), DVDs, or any other merchandise you sell to promote yourself. Traditionally these were sources of income that the labels didn't touch. Since they've been so uncreative in selling records since Napster, they try to pay for their beamers by stealing your coin. When you include the percentages from a publicist, booking agent, manager, attourney, you'll be lucky to walk away with 30% of the take, and this is before they shaft you on royalties. If you were a big/established artist you'd have some leverage to negotiate a better cut, but based on the vagueness of the post and the desire for unsigned artists to send stuff in a cattle call type of thread, should raise a red flag for everyone to think twice about getting involved in something like this.deadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:23 am
I think you might be on to something son. Foul Play is actually the only label I can think of that give out 360 deals. Trust me you guys do not want to do business with that guy.Basic A wrote:i have little too know clue if you thought these threads could come off as professional, but heres my critiques:
1> Alot of labels have developed reputations for theft, shady buisness practices, ect. How do I know your not here with foul play? I dont really understand what your trying to hide by not saying the label name, but thats how its coming off, like you have something to hide. I dont wanna do buisness with people who cant be honest with me.
2> Youve mentioned your doing 360 deals, but have given no indication whatsoever what either side of the deal will entail. On the releases end, you havent given us a record of your catalogue to reference. You havent given us an approximation of the share of capitol between you and your artists. You havent even told us if these will be distributed via digital or vinyl! much less who your distro is, which many people are proud of (im lookin at you fine chaps, dubsaw! biggup)... You havent mentioned a WORD about mastering, which, given some disappointing treatments in the past, i feel like that should be first on the list of things to cover, at least, I know it is for me. As far as your management side of the deal is concerned, you havent specified what your 'managers' will be able to do to benefit us. The way I understand it, the primary function of a manager is to provide advice on contracts and help secure bookings. I feel like if you wont be honest enough with us to even tell us what label you represent, i surely wouldnt want to take legal advice from your staff... and am I correct in assuming, based on your saying 'UK and Worldwide artists' that you are UK based? Can you really help people like me, sharm, deadly, ect. the stateside crew, can you really help us with bookings?
I dont wanna come off like a dickhead here man, or like im grilling you. Im simply stating whats going through alot of our heads as we read this thread. Id love to send you demo's, do buisness, or if nothing else, help support fellow up-and-coming label's with some promotion. But right now, your not coming off even remotely professionally. which leaves me to worry. even the labels who show up on here Ive had bad experiences with have come off better then this. So. Cmon dude... fill us in on more details here!!! You cant expect anyone to do buinsess blind.
Much love seriously man, and no disrespect.
-Basic
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:26 am
we didn't steal this ep vol 2abZ wrote:I think you might be on to something son. Foul Play is actually the only label I can think of that give out 360 deals. Trust me you guys do not want to do business with that guy.Basic A wrote:i have little too know clue if you thought these threads could come off as professional, but heres my critiques:
1> Alot of labels have developed reputations for theft, shady buisness practices, ect. How do I know your not here with foul play? I dont really understand what your trying to hide by not saying the label name, but thats how its coming off, like you have something to hide. I dont wanna do buisness with people who cant be honest with me.
2> Youve mentioned your doing 360 deals, but have given no indication whatsoever what either side of the deal will entail. On the releases end, you havent given us a record of your catalogue to reference. You havent given us an approximation of the share of capitol between you and your artists. You havent even told us if these will be distributed via digital or vinyl! much less who your distro is, which many people are proud of (im lookin at you fine chaps, dubsaw! biggup)... You havent mentioned a WORD about mastering, which, given some disappointing treatments in the past, i feel like that should be first on the list of things to cover, at least, I know it is for me. As far as your management side of the deal is concerned, you havent specified what your 'managers' will be able to do to benefit us. The way I understand it, the primary function of a manager is to provide advice on contracts and help secure bookings. I feel like if you wont be honest enough with us to even tell us what label you represent, i surely wouldnt want to take legal advice from your staff... and am I correct in assuming, based on your saying 'UK and Worldwide artists' that you are UK based? Can you really help people like me, sharm, deadly, ect. the stateside crew, can you really help us with bookings?
I dont wanna come off like a dickhead here man, or like im grilling you. Im simply stating whats going through alot of our heads as we read this thread. Id love to send you demo's, do buisness, or if nothing else, help support fellow up-and-coming label's with some promotion. But right now, your not coming off even remotely professionally. which leaves me to worry. even the labels who show up on here Ive had bad experiences with have come off better then this. So. Cmon dude... fill us in on more details here!!! You cant expect anyone to do buinsess blind.
Much love seriously man, and no disrespect.
-Basic
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:40 am
We didn't steal THIS ep, THAT ep is a different story yo.deadly habit wrote:we didn't steal this ep vol 2abZ wrote:I think you might be on to something son. Foul Play is actually the only label I can think of that give out 360 deals. Trust me you guys do not want to do business with that guy.Basic A wrote:i have little too know clue if you thought these threads could come off as professional, but heres my critiques:
1> Alot of labels have developed reputations for theft, shady buisness practices, ect. How do I know your not here with foul play? I dont really understand what your trying to hide by not saying the label name, but thats how its coming off, like you have something to hide. I dont wanna do buisness with people who cant be honest with me.
2> Youve mentioned your doing 360 deals, but have given no indication whatsoever what either side of the deal will entail. On the releases end, you havent given us a record of your catalogue to reference. You havent given us an approximation of the share of capitol between you and your artists. You havent even told us if these will be distributed via digital or vinyl! much less who your distro is, which many people are proud of (im lookin at you fine chaps, dubsaw! biggup)... You havent mentioned a WORD about mastering, which, given some disappointing treatments in the past, i feel like that should be first on the list of things to cover, at least, I know it is for me. As far as your management side of the deal is concerned, you havent specified what your 'managers' will be able to do to benefit us. The way I understand it, the primary function of a manager is to provide advice on contracts and help secure bookings. I feel like if you wont be honest enough with us to even tell us what label you represent, i surely wouldnt want to take legal advice from your staff... and am I correct in assuming, based on your saying 'UK and Worldwide artists' that you are UK based? Can you really help people like me, sharm, deadly, ect. the stateside crew, can you really help us with bookings?
I dont wanna come off like a dickhead here man, or like im grilling you. Im simply stating whats going through alot of our heads as we read this thread. Id love to send you demo's, do buisness, or if nothing else, help support fellow up-and-coming label's with some promotion. But right now, your not coming off even remotely professionally. which leaves me to worry. even the labels who show up on here Ive had bad experiences with have come off better then this. So. Cmon dude... fill us in on more details here!!! You cant expect anyone to do buinsess blind.
Much love seriously man, and no disrespect.
-Basic
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:38 am
abZ wrote:We didn't steal THIS ep, THAT ep is a different story yo.deadly habit wrote:we didn't steal this ep vol 2abZ wrote:I think you might be on to something son. Foul Play is actually the only label I can think of that give out 360 deals. Trust me you guys do not want to do business with that guy.Basic A wrote:i have little too know clue if you thought these threads could come off as professional, but heres my critiques:
1> Alot of labels have developed reputations for theft, shady buisness practices, ect. How do I know your not here with foul play? I dont really understand what your trying to hide by not saying the label name, but thats how its coming off, like you have something to hide. I dont wanna do buisness with people who cant be honest with me.
2> Youve mentioned your doing 360 deals, but have given no indication whatsoever what either side of the deal will entail. On the releases end, you havent given us a record of your catalogue to reference. You havent given us an approximation of the share of capitol between you and your artists. You havent even told us if these will be distributed via digital or vinyl! much less who your distro is, which many people are proud of (im lookin at you fine chaps, dubsaw! biggup)... You havent mentioned a WORD about mastering, which, given some disappointing treatments in the past, i feel like that should be first on the list of things to cover, at least, I know it is for me. As far as your management side of the deal is concerned, you havent specified what your 'managers' will be able to do to benefit us. The way I understand it, the primary function of a manager is to provide advice on contracts and help secure bookings. I feel like if you wont be honest enough with us to even tell us what label you represent, i surely wouldnt want to take legal advice from your staff... and am I correct in assuming, based on your saying 'UK and Worldwide artists' that you are UK based? Can you really help people like me, sharm, deadly, ect. the stateside crew, can you really help us with bookings?
I dont wanna come off like a dickhead here man, or like im grilling you. Im simply stating whats going through alot of our heads as we read this thread. Id love to send you demo's, do buisness, or if nothing else, help support fellow up-and-coming label's with some promotion. But right now, your not coming off even remotely professionally. which leaves me to worry. even the labels who show up on here Ive had bad experiences with have come off better then this. So. Cmon dude... fill us in on more details here!!! You cant expect anyone to do buinsess blind.
Much love seriously man, and no disrespect.
-Basic
Re: .
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:34 pm
So would they own everything under your other alias or is it just for the alias they sign you as?deadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
Re: .
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:36 pm
depends on the contract, but aliases have been used in the past when people have an exclusive deal to release material on other labels or material the controlling label didn't approve for themselvesDZA wrote:So would they own everything under your other alias or is it just for the alias they sign you as?deadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
kinda a loophole
if you want a sort of interesting take at a bigger scale read up on what happened with 30 seconds to mars breaking their deal (though it's all been sorted now) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_seconds ... .282008.29
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:40 am
Basic A wrote: 2> Youve mentioned your doing 360 deals, but have given no indication whatsoever what either side of the deal will entail. On the releases end, you havent given us a record of your catalogue to reference. You havent given us an approximation of the share of capitol between you and your artists. You havent even told us if these will be distributed via digital or vinyl! much less who your distro is, which many people are proud of (im lookin at you fine chaps, dubsaw! biggup)... You havent mentioned a WORD about mastering, which, given some disappointing treatments in the past, i feel like that should be first on the list of things to cover, at least, I know it is for me. As far as your management side of the deal is concerned, you havent specified what your 'managers' will be able to do to benefit us. The way I understand it, the primary function of a manager is to provide advice on contracts and help secure bookings. I feel like if you wont be honest enough with us to even tell us what label you represent, i surely wouldnt want to take legal advice from your staff... and am I correct in assuming, based on your saying 'UK and Worldwide artists' that you are UK based? Can you really help people like me, sharm, deadly, ect. the stateside crew, can you really help us with bookings?
cheers man... a lot of it with us is our transparency and what our overall goal is.
I know I counteract a lot of our good will with my mouth running, but I'd like to think when it comes down to the meat and potatoes of running a label we go above and beyond what is expected of a label.
Re: .
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:49 am
You defo want to sign as the alias. I actually talked to a kid that signed a 360 with Foul Play and ended up just changing his name. Fuck it but really you don't want that unless Tempa or Ninja Tune, etc is the one calling and they won't be calling...deadly habit wrote:depends on the contract, but aliases have been used in the past when people have an exclusive deal to release material on other labels or material the controlling label didn't approve for themselvesDZA wrote:So would they own everything under your other alias or is it just for the alias they sign you as?deadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
kinda a loophole
if you want a sort of interesting take at a bigger scale read up on what happened with 30 seconds to mars breaking their deal (though it's all been sorted now) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_seconds ... .282008.29
Re: .
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:49 am
deadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
I wrote up a bit a while back on the production forum about exclusive deals and how they really make little sense for most artists.
we have culprate exclusive to dubsaw but I literally gave him the sweetheart deal of the century and take no personal money from him.
culprate can pay me when he's wildly successful a few years from now... i have faith that if I enable him as an artist now it will end up being worth it in the end for both of us.
theres no sense in nickle and diming artists with exclusive contracts... a label should only be making you an exclusive if they think you are a one of a kind artist
Re: .
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:01 am
pkay wrote:deadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
I wrote up a bit a while back on the production forum about exclusive deals and how they really make little sense for most artists.
we have culprate exclusive to dubsaw but I literally gave him the sweetheart deal of the century and take no personal money from him.
culprate can pay me when he's wildly successful a few years from now... i have faith that if I enable him as an artist now it will end up being worth it in the end for both of us.
theres no sense in nickle and diming artists with exclusive contracts... a label should only be making you an exclusive if they think you are a one of a kind artist
yay for culprate, well deserved
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:03 am
pkay wrote:Basic A wrote: 2> Youve mentioned your doing 360 deals, but have given no indication whatsoever what either side of the deal will entail. On the releases end, you havent given us a record of your catalogue to reference. You havent given us an approximation of the share of capitol between you and your artists. You havent even told us if these will be distributed via digital or vinyl! much less who your distro is, which many people are proud of (im lookin at you fine chaps, dubsaw! biggup)... You havent mentioned a WORD about mastering, which, given some disappointing treatments in the past, i feel like that should be first on the list of things to cover, at least, I know it is for me. As far as your management side of the deal is concerned, you havent specified what your 'managers' will be able to do to benefit us. The way I understand it, the primary function of a manager is to provide advice on contracts and help secure bookings. I feel like if you wont be honest enough with us to even tell us what label you represent, i surely wouldnt want to take legal advice from your staff... and am I correct in assuming, based on your saying 'UK and Worldwide artists' that you are UK based? Can you really help people like me, sharm, deadly, ect. the stateside crew, can you really help us with bookings?
cheers man... a lot of it with us is our transparency and what our overall goal is.
I know I counteract a lot of our good will with my mouth running, but I'd like to think when it comes down to the meat and potatoes of running a label we go above and beyond what is expected of a label.
Ole' a-beezy up there is another good examp[le
, get him hyped up after a game, few drinks in him, hell be pretty blunt. Runs his shit well, even if. It stands out, when people are honest. You guys came to mind because thats what I remember from your label post... you listed styles you wanted, mastering services, distro, general rates and idea about promo. If remember, the only Savory and Tentative posts Iv seen have been the same.to those reading this, consider guys that when there coming here begging for submissions, there obviously not getting them... Pkay, abz, care to shed some light on how many demos you guys get... weekly? ... probably enough to make DSF posts a little less the priority. Much less coming here lookng for people to sign 360.
To summize this little bit of jibberish from me (and pardon, its late)... with good, honest, labels willing to share full details hanging out on the forums in abundance, theres no reason why anyone should buy into this until he gives up more info.
Dont be so desperate to sign guys. I felt that way too until the time came, and now thatIm actually starting to get things done right, Im really glad I stepped back, and waited for the right oppurtunities to come along. Ive no experience, but when the guys here who have it say to not get to deal-desperate, they're right.
Re: .
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:04 am
decree wrote:pkay wrote:deadly habit wrote:it means one company controls all aspects of you as an artistEchoi wrote:Whats a 360 deal?
they choose own your releases
they're your publicist
they're your booking agent
etc
basically the own you completely as an artist
I wrote up a bit a while back on the production forum about exclusive deals and how they really make little sense for most artists.
we have culprate exclusive to dubsaw but I literally gave him the sweetheart deal of the century and take no personal money from him.
culprate can pay me when he's wildly successful a few years from now... i have faith that if I enable him as an artist now it will end up being worth it in the end for both of us.
theres no sense in nickle and diming artists with exclusive contracts... a label should only be making you an exclusive if they think you are a one of a kind artist
yay for culprate, well deserved
Ill give this the
too...Culprates a badman.
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:17 am
because my real life job is fairly demanding i've had to limit the time i make myself available online to receive demos lately.Basic A wrote: to those reading this, consider guys that when there coming here begging for submissions, there obviously not getting them... Pkay, abz, care to shed some light on how many demos you guys get... weekly? ... probably enough to make DSF posts a little less the priority. Much less coming here lookng for people to sign 360.
i used to be on aim 24.7 and got about 100-250 demos a week easily. Tonight I've been online for about maybe 3 hours? and this is what my desktop looks like
about 40ish demos?
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:24 am
and more comingpkay wrote:because my real life job is fairly demanding i've had to limit the time i make myself available online to receive demos lately.Basic A wrote: to those reading this, consider guys that when there coming here begging for submissions, there obviously not getting them... Pkay, abz, care to shed some light on how many demos you guys get... weekly? ... probably enough to make DSF posts a little less the priority. Much less coming here lookng for people to sign 360.
i used to be on aim 24.7 and got about 100-250 demos a week easily. Tonight I've been online for about maybe 3 hours? and this is what my desktop looks like
about 40ish demos?
i remember those times from Flight...
i had to get help
Re: BIG LABEL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL UNSIGNED ARTISTS
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:55 am
decree wrote: and more coming
i remember those times from Flight...
i had to get help