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owengriffiths wrote: Manchester- Scally (traditionally meant football casual or troublemaker)

I thought scally was a Scouse ting?Never really heard it in Mancunia except from scousers and maybe a few Lancs.

owengriffiths wrote: Used to think that it was a mainly an Irish thing but then went to Carlisle and saw it there, then it became a big thing in the media. Don't think the American White Trash comparison stands up well

Agreed.

In the US ,Chavs aren't really white trash per se,but they are mostly lower income white kids and known as "wiggers".Fake Louis Vuitton,cheap ass bling,sideways baseball hats,wife beaters,and Nike kicks.I'd say that fits the bill for an American chav.

I heard somewhere that Lily Allen was claiming chav...

NoSpin wrote: so are british degenerates just innaRtely better than americans?

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to wear clothes like a chav (not overdressed) is priceless when you go in a gallery or on a supercool retro-hop hip party and there are no heads arround.

to wear all the cheapest creps trainers nd hoodies from sportsworld... is that chavinistic?

or people that really got the money to buy all the expensive stuff but just wear dirt (vintage) on to lookn like theyre kind of poor?

dresscodes are like borders...

two oh one wrote:Class and money should be completely separated.

Why? How? To what end?

two oh one wrote:Class is behaviour, not cash.

Im not gonna go into it on a forum - but - you are proper confused, sorry.

-BLADE- wrote:chavinistic?

J Dub U wrote:what does being middle class actually envolve i know upper class means you have to have a triangular nose smoke a pipe and eat wood pigeon and not cringe?

middle class here means you work a boring day job, get medical benefits for your family, and enough paid vacation to convince yourself your happy and not give a fuck about the world around you. you go to applebees on your lunch break, talk shit about your coworkers, have the occasional affair, and come home and fall asleep watching american idol

doomstep wrote:

two oh one wrote:Class and money should be completely separated.

Why? How? To what end?

two oh one wrote:Class is behaviour, not cash.

Im not gonna go into it on a forum - but - you are proper confused, sorry.

I know piss poor people who are great. I know people sitting on shit loads of cash who are stupid tossers. I also know poor people who would rob you blind and some trust fund kids who are some of the nicest people I've ever met. I know people who have grown up in money and are now piss poor, but hard working. I know those who have come from poverty into a lot of money, but are very, very cunty.

I see money and Class are very different things. There is always the clinical Governmental way of looking at things, but I choose the personal. I believe the States differs from England in how class is categorised. Perhaps Australia does, too?

Is class taste? Is class behaviour and upbringing? Is class education? Is it values? Is class really just money?

Well, those are all wrong. It's actually breeding.

I'm a Lord with a seated title, you see. I'm afraid that if your childhood home isn't an expansive country estate with a Peacock filled lawn and a river bursting with Salmon running through it, you're a dirty Charva. If you can't quote from Shakespeare and know the Latin name for a Copse in a sun-filled valley, then you're a Pikey. When I see you looking through a hedge for owl pellets to eat, I'll pee on you out of my Rolls window as Higgins drives us by.

is it okay for an american to have a 'butcher's" at something?!

two oh one wrote:Well, those are all wrong. It's actually breeding.

I'm a Lord with a seated title, you see. I'm afraid that if your childhood home isn't an expansive country estate with a Peacock filled lawn and a river bursting with Salmon running through it, you're a dirty Charva. If you can't quote from Shakespeare and know the Latin name for a Copse in a sun-filled valley, then you're a Pikey. When I see you looking through a hedge for owl pellets to eat, I'll pee on you out of my Rolls window as Higgins drives us by.

I feel humbled to be in your prescence sirrah. Although I am thinking it might be worth robbing some antiques when you're passed out from too much claret

Shonky wrote:

two oh one wrote:Well, those are all wrong. It's actually breeding.

I'm a Lord with a seated title, you see. I'm afraid that if your childhood home isn't an expansive country estate with a Peacock filled lawn and a river bursting with Salmon running through it, you're a dirty Charva. If you can't quote from Shakespeare and know the Latin name for a Copse in a sun-filled valley, then you're a Pikey. When I see you looking through a hedge for owl pellets to eat, I'll pee on you out of my Rolls window as Higgins drives us by.

I feel humbled to be in your prescence sirrah. Although I am thinking it might be worth robbing some antiques when you're passed out from too much claret

Sherry, dear boy, always Sherry. I hesitate that I would give chase upon seeing you making away with the family silver, but I'm afraid a terrible case of gout cripples me. I would put this task of pursuit upon the gamekeeper, who I dare say would give you both barrels out of earshot in the woods.




Another thing to consider (If anybody is bothering considering) that Class is sometimes viewed in different ways by different classes.

Upper class do indeed classify with breeding. They believe that their status is elite and nobody can reach that stage unless being born into it.

Middle classes can believe that education, upbringing and then profession is the basis of the class.

Lower classes often think that money is where the class is derived.

Criminal classes think that class is you know, Sovs, Beyonce and shit.

Upper Upper classes think bumfuckery and doo da haddock nipples to be the key.

I went to school with Chavvy stnuc who had way more money than me. I had to wear British Home Stores hand-me-down trainers. Trainers with ridiculous names and to make matters worse, hand me downs from my bloody NAN. She had manky arthritic toes, so the trainers bulged and looked odd and lumpy. Just imagine what happened when I went to school wearing those.

Your gamekeeper is a prole like myself and has been passing pheasants in exchange for harlots. My larder runneth over with game in much the same way that he now runneth over with pox.

Shonky wrote:Your gamekeeper is a prole like myself and has been passing pheasants in exchange for harlots. My larder runneth over with game in much the same way that he now runneth over with pox.

My gamekeeper is a good and honest man. He may have a whiff of the woods about him, but I'll wager his chamber has seen no night walkers gained in exchange for fowl or favours. Anyway, he preferred the affection of live stock. Or he did the last time I was peeping from the pantry window.

I'll allow you the pheasants, but keep away from the Guinea fowl. I brought them home from my last adventure and the poor souls are finding the climate rather difficult, you see.

Not particularly interested in your bird-flu guinea fowl - a disaster of Bernard Mathew style proportions upon thee

In fact I'm not convinced the bird fowl are suffering from the climate, more likely from the tainted yoghurt of your gamekeeper.

He likes the "birds" as I believe it is the common parlance.

There is no official definition of social class in the uk, which is odd when you consider how obsessed we all are with it

Well seeing as the old upper class are often poorer than the new middle class, and working class people in trades are often quite a bit richer than the middle class, I'd say that money has got very little to do with it anymore.

Also if the upper classes are defined by titles then it would mean that there's a fair amount of people with titles now that aren't from upper class backgrounds - they just had the cash to buy them.

Added to that, a fair amount of people going to university (an upper/middle class tradition) are going to be saddled with huge debts that means they're essentially going to be poorer than a lot of people that didn't who may well be further up in organisations due to working from an earlier age and thus be able to get further due to being experienced and not entering the work force at 21 or later.

It's really a rich vs poor scenario, and class has really got fuck all to do with it.

two oh one wrote:

doomstep wrote:

two oh one wrote:Class and money should be completely separated.

Why? How? To what end?

two oh one wrote:Class is behaviour, not cash.

Im not gonna go into it on a forum - but - you are proper confused, sorry.

I see money and Class are very different things.

seperating class from economic reality is slight of hand,

& very comman in this day of 100% home loans & related bollox...

chavs, bogans, white trash - lumpenproletariat by another name.

but inside every chav beats the heart of an enrage

Shonky wrote: It's really a rich vs poor scenario, and class has really got fuck all to do with it.

Im innarested to know your ....eerrr, definition of class - or, oh, I see what you've done.

but yes, cash money - perhaps, has little to do with class.

But, but. I don't know. You're right. This day and age is about what you owe, rather than what you own, isn't it? That's the middle class. The grabbing stresscases trying to claw their way up, or at least give the impression that they're on the way up.

Too many people are willing to get themselves into crippling debt so they can buy things that gives others the impression that they have money. It's fucking sick, really. Maybe everybody is just really depressed and busy giving themselves retail therapy?

I think the problem is that inside a lot of Chavs beats the heart of someone who thinks where they are right now is fucking great, to semi-quote a notable American comedian. They're often on dole benefits straight out of school and see no reason to work when they can live for free. Kids I went to school with had that very attitude and were openly proud of it. Their offspring are worse than them. I can't say they had any less opportunities than myself.

It's down to the parents and how they bring up their kids. A kid can have a good upbringing with very little money and a lot of teaching of good, solid values. A father figure who is willing to twock the living shit out of them is good, too.

Ok, I'm going to be quiet. I sound like an old gentleman with a moustache and a stern millitary history. I'll be talking about short, sharp shocks next.

skinheads stateside still think fred perry garms is whats really hood.