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Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..bagelator wrote: oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.
a bit tenuous, don't you think?
ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.dopocc wrote:Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..bagelator wrote: oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.
a bit tenuous, don't you think?
I respect your opinion but yeah I think Zomby's the best producer out there at least among the ones I am aware of. Peacebagelator wrote:ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.dopocc wrote:Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..bagelator wrote: oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.
a bit tenuous, don't you think?
i personally would say you've just drawn up a list of everything his music lacks. but that's just me.
I know man, same here peacebagelator wrote: and also, i'm not having a go at you. just saw and opportunity for a discussion.
bagelator wrote:ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.dopocc wrote:Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..bagelator wrote: oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.
a bit tenuous, don't you think?
i personally would say you've just drawn up a list of everything his music lacks. but that's just me.
don't get me wrong here, i like zomby's music. that tune operator is big, the original spliff dub etc. but ultimately it's rave music. i think the comparison is unnecessary and pretentious. i also think a Dutch Master had a much more highly defined sense of process and better skills, but like i said, how can you really compare a paintbrush and canvas with cubase/fruity loops and some speakers?
and also, i'm not having a go at you. just saw and opportunity for a discussion.
i like the sounds he makes because the remind me of the first hardcore/rave tunes that i heard when i was a kid, but they're just very well polished imitations to my ears. i appreciate that he is an artist, i just personally think his art lacks the originality of the things he is impersonating. But this is taking a stance of musical puritanism to the extreme as it's impossible to completely detach yourself from the things that have preceded you. he has skills for sure, and you must master the things which have happened before in order to make something truly new, i believe ; I just find that some tracks leave me a bit cold.musashi_dc wrote:bagelator wrote:ok, you obviously think a lot of zomby's music.dopocc wrote:Well you see IMO light, dark, depth, composition, structure, colour, dynamics, subject & object, among others, apply to every art form and I can always draw parallels between them but that's just me..bagelator wrote: oh my lol . you just compared zomby to the dutch masters.
a bit tenuous, don't you think?
i personally would say you've just drawn up a list of everything his music lacks. but that's just me.
don't get me wrong here, i like zomby's music. that tune operator is big, the original spliff dub etc. but ultimately it's rave music. i think the comparison is unnecessary and pretentious. i also think a Dutch Master had a much more highly defined sense of process and better skills, but like i said, how can you really compare a paintbrush and canvas with cubase/fruity loops and some speakers?
and also, i'm not having a go at you. just saw and opportunity for a discussion.
i think basically everything you said is wrong...
Zomby's work 100% pocesses those qualities...He mixes in so many different styles its near impossible for him not too. Hes literally the only man on earth who could make music in all those different styles and be reguarded as one of the best in each genre he enters. Where were you in 92' is a masterpeice...you say 'ultimately it's rave music'...and is that a negative? Rave music built a generation. The way zomby reverts to that 90's style 10-15 years later just shows his creative genius.
and why not compare his music to art?! just because its obviously not visually appealing does not deter the fact that he may share the same creative attributes that the dutch masters had. Its a different composition yes, but too many its still art.
apecore wrote:what are we defining as rave?just out of interest aye
Hes hardly impersonating anything...he takes influences from past producers yes...but who dosent. Ever producer on earth takes influences from others.the music you grow up boppin to right up to what youve got on your ipod you take influence from...but he 'impersonates' nothing. Infact, his style is his own. if anything its him thats being impersonated by other producers on the block.bagelator wrote:musashi_dc wrote:bagelator wrote:dopocc wrote:bagelator wrote: the originality of the things he is impersonating. B.
dopocc wrote:A magnified listen to Zomby's 'Kaliko'.....
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i can definitely hear this in a tune by monolake.To try another metaphor, it’s like various sets of overlaid spinning wheels and polygons of different sizes and shapes in the mind’s eye.
errr this whole thing reads like an episode of pseud's corner in private eye.The Zomby EP features some of the best examples of metrical ‘wonkitude’, but the wilder Zomby tracks like ‘Gloop’ and ‘Aquafre5h’ are horrifically difficult to transcribe
what the fuck are you on about?bagelator wrote:errr this whole thing reads like an episode of pseud's corner in private eye.The Zomby EP features some of the best examples of metrical ‘wonkitude’, but the wilder Zomby tracks like ‘Gloop’ and ‘Aquafre5h’ are horrifically difficult to transcribe
the only reason it might be 'difficult' to transcribe is that conventional musical transcription doesn't allow for computized musical sequencers, which can produce time signatures and musical landscapes that are very difficult for humans to emulate due to the fact we have limbs, a brain, and a propensity for error.
that said, i would challenge you to find something more complex than some african tribal drum arrangements, which put this shit to shame.
this is just all masturbation for people that want to think that they're whacking one out to art, not porn.
sorry.
anyways, i'm just going to go and piss in the wind for a bit.
musashi_dc wrote:what the fuck are you on about?bagelator wrote:errr this whole thing reads like an episode of pseud's corner in private eye.The Zomby EP features some of the best examples of metrical ‘wonkitude’, but the wilder Zomby tracks like ‘Gloop’ and ‘Aquafre5h’ are horrifically difficult to transcribe
the only reason it might be 'difficult' to transcribe is that conventional musical transcription doesn't allow for computized musical sequencers, which can produce time signatures and musical landscapes that are very difficult for humans to emulate due to the fact we have limbs, a brain, and a propensity for error.
that said, i would challenge you to find something more complex than some african tribal drum arrangements, which put this shit to shame.
this is just all masturbation for people that want to think that they're whacking one out to art, not porn.
sorry.
anyways, i'm just going to go and piss in the wind for a bit.