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deadly habit wrote:

amphibian wrote:

deadly habit wrote:http://twitter.com/flyinglotus/status/23271182275

Skream, 2003: "To all the journalists - there's no such thing as Dubstep guys, we're just having fun making music!"

the difference is when you have someone who is supposed to be a staple player of what they're citing saying to not categorize it maybe you should listen
i don't get why you guys feel the need to sub categorize everything anyways it's easy to pick with your ears what sounds similar and not everyone is going to agree on well it's this subgenre no it's this one
that and people are coming up with the most retarded names and sub sub genres for shit that's been around for ages
ex: drumstep

It's a normal function of the human brain to categorize and organize and group things together. It's how we identify ourselves with whatever it is that we like, and if you can use a single term to do it, then it's much easier to communicate it. It's also necessary for writers, event promoters.etc. to know what it is they're promoting (other than the artist name). If you've never heard of an artist before, it might be worthwhile knowing exactly what it is they produce - easier to research to see if you want to see them then (I've done this a few times myself).

Regardless of whether names for subgenres (or genres, for that matter) suck, is irrelevant. If the name sticks, then so be it. I don't get why so many people find it a problem. Genres and subgenres and their names usually have nothing to do with producers, and all about punters, journalists and events (marketing).

As for drumstep - fair call, I think it sucks - but it seems to be catching on quicker than "half time dnb", which really isn't a very catchy term (from a marketing perspective).

i actually find the whole argument against subgenres rather unprogressive. If it wasn't for dnb, 2-step, garage.etc. - you probably wouldn't have the spin-off dubstep genre (which is becoming an epic super-genre). Let's not forget that all those genres were also spin-offs from breaks, house.etc, which are sub-genres of electronic dance music (or edm if you're a marketer/journalist in the early 90s).

Subgenres do become irrelevant at a certain point (4-5 levels down) - but I do believe Dubstep has a lot of them, and for good reason - they all have VERY different sounds. Their names will probably be coined by Journalists (Brostep), and fought by the jaded few who think it's a futile exercise. But really, the argument is a waste of time and energy and no matter what we think, people will find ways to identify with the music they love, and that in itself is an empowering notion.

deadly habit wrote:

well the first time someone calls my music a name or term i find to be retarded i reserve the right to treat them as such

Leave the actual genres to teenagers and their t-shirts

deadly habit wrote:well the first time someone calls my music a name or term i find to be retarded i reserve the right to treat them as such

bahaha, touche`

Filth/chill, depending on my listening mood. these branch out into smaller sub categories though.

Can everyone agree then that

dubstep = chillin, jungle/reggae/deep/vibey sounds, without much midrange bass
Brostep/Aggro/Whatever = Midrange bass containing brock the fuck out choons.



Dont overdivide and split to pieces, just draw a simple distinction, and get along?

jaydot wrote:Filth/chill, depending on my listening mood. these branch out into smaller sub categories though.

Like this.

I hate when people call my dubstep "chill" I guess I understand that but it's the type of music that turns into a monster with the right room/rig combo. That said, knowing most of the setups in Pittsburgh I do understand why you mostly hear the bro.

abZ wrote:I hate when people call my dubstep "chill" I guess I understand that but it's the type of music that turns into a monster with the right room/rig combo. That said, knowing most of the setups in Pittsburgh I do understand why you mostly hear the bro.

Interesting point actually. I noticed with Kryptic Minds stuff. Those tunes absolutely rock on a phat system, tunes you wouldn't think would fit the dancefloor vibe, yet they seem to drive their own style of dancing, it's hectic

abZ wrote:I hate when people call my dubstep "chill" I guess I understand that but it's the type of music that turns into a monster with the right room/rig combo. That said, knowing most of the setups in Pittsburgh I do understand why you mostly hear the bro.

I agree, it's really annoying. I guess it's up to the listener, some people get where you're coming from, others don't.

grooki wrote:

abZ wrote:I hate when people call my dubstep "chill" I guess I understand that but it's the type of music that turns into a monster with the right room/rig combo. That said, knowing most of the setups in Pittsburgh I do understand why you mostly hear the bro.

I agree, it's really annoying. I guess it's up to the listener, some people get where you're coming from, others don't.

Nah I just don't think it translates universally but I have always liked that type of dance music that was made mainly for the rigs and everything else is an afterthought. A lot of the trendy blog step sounds like hell Irl Naw mean? Best part tho is when you get that sweet venue you can blow peoples minds with some sleepers.

abZ wrote:

grooki wrote:

abZ wrote:I hate when people call my dubstep "chill" I guess I understand that but it's the type of music that turns into a monster with the right room/rig combo. That said, knowing most of the setups in Pittsburgh I do understand why you mostly hear the bro.

I agree, it's really annoying. I guess it's up to the listener, some people get where you're coming from, others don't.

Nah I just don't think it translates universally but I have always liked that type of dance music that was made mainly for the rigs and everything else is an afterthought. A lot of the trendy blog step sounds like hell Irl Naw mean? Best part tho is when you get that sweet venue you can blow peoples minds with some sleepers.

Amen to all of this btw...

I thought it was agreed that the two main subgenres of dubstep were "brostep" and "deep space shit"

or for the days when it was "midrange cack."

There was a point in 2008 where every DJ I knew, including myself, was sure we'd each coined the term "brostep." I'm sure this was the case the world over. But the bro is clearly more powerful than all of us, and bubbled out of the ether into everyone's consciousness.

I think blackdown had a nice take on it being dubstep vs. "dubstep:" http://pitchfork.com/features/grime-dub ... e-dubstep/

abZ wrote:I hate when people call my dubstep "chill" I guess I understand that but it's the type of music that turns into a monster with the right room/rig combo. That said, knowing most of the setups in Pittsburgh I do understand why you mostly hear the bro.

Well said man I think some of the deep heads forget that dark atmospheres and proper heaviness have been part of the scene from the very beginning.

I'm quite the fan of micro-genres, since I've always been a little OCD and coming from a metal scene where there is infinite permutations of "Progressive Post-*whatever*-core". It seems like theres loads and loads of interesting dubstep-ish stuff that I would never have came across if deep vs. brostep was the be all and end all. Joker and Guido's purple sound, wonky stuff from HudMo and Rustie, future 2-step from Brackles and Submerse - as craply named as they may be now, I think that these types of sounds developing a name and a scene for themselves is part of bass music's evolution.

BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:Leave the actual genres to teenagers and their t-shirts

+1 this is the way i see it ...

metal sounding dubstep
chilled sounding dubstep
mad sounding dubstep

they're all dubstep

stop trying to be something your not