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I've got an Ecler nuo 2.0 and I love it,great sound great price and the faders/knobs are nice and rugged

http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/ima ... jm-400.jpg
pioneer djm 400


i have this, perfect mixer for me, never had any problems

£10 Bag wrote:

TSH-Tim wrote:Allen & Heath 62 & 92 both clip to high hell ( if used wrong ) and this is down down a very ''hot'' output stage.

Any mixer clips to high hell if used wrong...how can you single out A&H for this?
The level meters on nearly all A&H mixers go red before the signal actually starts to clip. They calibrate them like that on purpose, presumably with the intention of tricking DJs into keeping plenty of headroom. My 32 "clips" all the time but its not a problem.

You're the first pro (I presume!) sound engineer/rig owner I've seen ever praise Pioneer, let alone recommend them over A&H. I'm genuinely interested, what's your thinking?

madmeesh wrote:manufactured in China

Yeah personally I'd go for a 2nd hand, old style, UK-built A&H these days. They've moved their manufacturing from Cornwall ( ) to China ( ) which doesn't seem to have affected the end price to the consumer much, but I bet it will have affected build quality in some way!

Just please don't buy a Pioneer whatever you do

You been speaking with Opus lot havent you lol

Nope, never had any contact with anyone from Opus. What does that have to do with anything?

Because they like you believe that when A&H moved their manufacturing from Cornwall to China that some of the components changed inside..... they didn't there the same and theres no difference...... if anything the China units will be better made ( more consistent )

£10 Bag wrote:

TSH-Tim wrote:Allen & Heath 62 & 92 both clip to high hell ( if used wrong ) and this is down down a very ''hot'' output stage.

Any mixer clips to high hell if used wrong...how can you single out A&H for this?
The level meters on nearly all A&H mixers go red before the signal actually starts to clip. They calibrate them like that on purpose, presumably with the intention of tricking DJs into keeping plenty of headroom. My 32 "clips" all the time but its not a problem.

You're the first pro (I presume!) sound engineer/rig owner I've seen ever praise Pioneer, let alone recommend them over A&H. I'm genuinely interested, what's your thinking?

madmeesh wrote:manufactured in China

Yeah personally I'd go for a 2nd hand, old style, UK-built A&H these days. They've moved their manufacturing from Cornwall ( ) to China ( ) which doesn't seem to have affected the end price to the consumer much, but I bet it will have affected build quality in some way!

Just please don't buy a Pioneer whatever you do

Having taken different mixers on the road with us ( most weekends ) for the last 11 years a can tell you that we're do everything we can NOT to use a Allen & Heath. Also bear in mind that for the last 7 years we have also dry hired kit out .. PA systems, dj kit, lighting etc etc everybody that rings us is after a DJM800 / CDJ package hence why we stock 4 DJM's and only one A&H92 which is spec'ed for one d&b event we do every other month.... Looking back i would say that mixer has gone out maybe 8 times in a year where as we run out of DJM's in the summer months.

''Any mixer clips to high hell if used wrong...how can you single out A&H for this?'' Am not but remember every dj is going to redline the mixer so for us the DJM's are safer to use on systems and only clip once the master and channel gains are past 4o'clock Its quite hard to clip them to be fair. A&H clip just turning to bloody things on lol

And am sure i saw a comments on here about the DJM's sounding ''flat'' well thats what system techs want We then control the sound and can make it sound the way the we & promoter(s) want... HEAVY

Love my Vestax 06, but it's hella fucked up.

get a mixer that has a crossfader and maybe some eq's.

haha seriously though im not a fan of these mixers with the fx on them, i have a mate with one and he never does any subtle fade - in mixing - it's always put the lp filter on and fade the tune out before the other tune drops for like, hours. I'm not keen on these kinda drop fade drop fade drop fade drop face mixes... it's much more respectable to fade in a tune perfectly and subtly... anyway i've gone off on a tangent

After reading this thread, I now have my heart set on either a Xone 22 or 42.

Sageon wrote:After reading this thread, I now have my heart set on either a Xone 22 or 42.

definitely a good choice. Tho I have a 32 and the filter is on a fader rather than rotary which definitely prefer but the newer 22's and 42's look sick still.

Xone 32's have started going for about 200 now

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Sorry, had to.

TSH-Tim wrote: And am sure i saw a comments on here about the DJM's sounding ''flat'' well thats what system techs want We then control the sound and can make it sound the way the we & promoter(s) want... HEAVY

When I said flat I meant flat in a bad way, the tunes lose all it's personality and some detail, I barely could hear the crack sounds from my vinyl anymore, that is a bad thing ! They're nice for digital DJ-ing but I want my vinyl to sound crisp and alive in a system and they sure don't sound like that with Pioneer DJM 800, I've compared...

charliefoy wrote:Xone 32's have started going for about 200 now

i'd love a link

south3rn wrote:

charliefoy wrote:Xone 32's have started going for about 200 now

i'd love a link

There's hardly any left on ebay now, but last week I saw one go for £170 and one for £230. They're out of production now I think though, you can only buy the graphite ones.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Allen-Heath-Xone- ... 242wt_1141

^^ buy the 32! mines graphite its looks fine, you dont need the flash black style! seen some go for crazy prices. programmable preset hi mid and loss pass filters, 3 channels amazing sound quality!

it's sooooo stupid to have the gains on the back though

ugh. now i remember why i was never serious about getting a 32.

Gains on the back lol lol

ecler nuo

jamesgarfield wrote:ecler nuo

think i've decided on this.

i was pretty damn sure i was going to get a xone 22, but seems people are having hissing issues and fader problems with the models made in china now. also realized i don't need the filter.

i just can't decide if i should spend the extra $150 for a 3rd channel. i have a 4 channel vestax now, but haven't once used more than 2 at a time.