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I've heard David Cameron is bringing a few tracks out next year

TSH-Tim wrote:I've heard David Cameron is bringing a few tracks out next year

Forthcoming on Wheel & Deal.

dubsteprevolution wrote: they might if there were 100,000 of them carrying petrol bombs

Substance, where is it?

"i'm bored and these filthy wobblz make me wanna blow something up"

this is mental masturbation. You aren't going to achieve jack shit. If you want to talk about politics, start a thread somewhere. It's this generations mentality that to change the world you've got to follow the same path all the failed revolutions of the past took that's just plain dumb. IF you are going to demonstrate, learn from MLK, learn from egypt. Violence is not the answer.

If you really wanted to make a difference, you need to find an issue that affects many people and organize them. Putting tags on it like "dubstep" is just.... ugh... no. If you're actually dedicated to change then become a scientist, politician, journalist, etc.

Tomfooleri wrote:

sd5 wrote:I think it's a good idea to discuss why we're revolting
but it would be better done with real people.

This.

If you want to change things, get into politics, not forums. To change the system you have to be in it. Its too easy to blame big powerful companies and our government for things that are going wrong, but alot of the time if you really look into economics and political processes its actually ran by alot of really intelligent people, doing some really amazing things to change their country.

People don't get into positions of such power without the intelligence to back it up.

And I think in the grand scheme of things England has it pretty sweet, free healthcare, emergency services, benefits, amazing infrastructure, free education etc. Alot of people in the world don't have these things we take for granted.

There is always room to improve our country, but a revolution I don't think is what we really need right now. Revolutions tend to totally balls things up for a few years, until someone else gets into power and things get back to normal, and the whole cycle is repeated. Human nature kicks ass.

G Wubya?

hellfire machina wrote: G Wubya?

Thanks fer makin' energy drink shoot out of my fucking nose onto my keyboard at work. Jerk. (Just kidding... that was funny as hell tho.)

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this is mental masturbation.

never seen so much fail in one thread at DSF.


OP is a cigarette got.

It's this generations mentality that to change the world you've got to follow the same path of all the failed revolutions of the past... IF you are going to demonstrate, learn from MLK, learn from egypt. Violence is not the answer.

Revolutions (real, popular ones, that is) are rarely violent - it's the counter-revolution that is violent

Tunisia

Egypt

Libya

and yes, even Russia

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i would join the mtedendubsteprevolution but im already part of the donk and funky revolutions and i think this would be too demanding on top of those

seriously though the op is young and idealistic i assume ....dont be too harsh on him

and la boxers id love 20k a year u rich bastard lol

what is all this i dont even

what is this I don't even

is this guy fucking serious

EVERYONE

THIS GUYS FUCKING SERIOUS

Tomfooleri wrote:If you want to change things, get into politics, not forums. To change the system you have to be in it. Its too easy to blame big powerful companies and our government for things that are going wrong, but alot of the time if you really look into economics and political processes its actually ran by alot of really intelligent people, doing some really amazing things to change their country.

People don't get into positions of such power without the intelligence to back it up. even if true,

And I think in the grand scheme of things England has it pretty sweet, free healthcare, emergency services, benefits, amazing infrastructure, free education etc. Alot of people in the world don't have these things we take for granted.

There is always room to improve our country, but a revolution I don't think is what we really need right now. Revolutions tend to totally balls things up for a few years, until someone else gets into power and things get back to normal, and the whole cycle is repeated. Human nature kicks ass. mystified idealism

I am going to be very boring and give a serious response to this.

So what I'm getting is:

1) People blame 'big companies' and their elected officials when 'things go wrong' - they shouldn't as they are very clever and doing a great job

The point of democracy is accountability - hence if they aren't doing what they said they would or you disagree with what they are doing, you should be able to hold power to account. As to whether they are doing a great job, well that's subjective isn't it? There's 'blame' and there is reasoned analysis and critique so don't conflate the two. I also disagree with the attitude that our civic duties end as soon as we tick a box on a ballot paper.

2) You have to be clever to be in a position of power

Variation of above: a society where executive decisions are taken exclusively by 'experts' in various fields is called technocracy. These people are not infallible nor is intelligence necessarily a virtue. Your implication is the cleverer you are, the more likely you are to be in a position of power and the more likely to be right. Both these things are unfounded and I would argue, false.

3) Don't take for granted that we have free healthcare, emergency services, benefits, amazing infrastructure, free education

Indeed, but you are the one who takes these things for granted if you think in terms of 'these are the things we have achieved so far, things can only get better'. For example, at this very moment there are no less than 50,000 job posts about to be axed at the NHS. It takes rather a lot of struggling to keep things even as they are, let alone improving things!

4) Revolutions cause chaos and then things go back to 'normal' - this has something to do with human nature

Surely this depends on what you class as a revolution? Clearly there are points in history where society has taken a decisive turn and things certainly are not how they used to be. Clearing out those in power isn't a revolution. Revolution is a process where new relations and structures of power begin to replace the old, for example the way capitalism developed under feudalism, with capitalist relations eclipsing and replacing the aristocratic landowners as the primary sources of power. At points in the process this even involved expropriating assets and land and displacing peasants, forcing them into wage labor.

The reason the Russian Revolution is still called so is because for all extents and purposes it was a revolution - councils of workers began to democratically decide how things were to be produced and distributed locally. The centralisation of power that then occurred was a counterrevolution because these new democratic bodies were undermined by an emerging administrative class essentially reestablishing old power structures under a different name.

It is too easy to say that this has something to do with human nature when a proper historical analysis helps explain why things turned out as they did. No need to mystify it.

I would address your 'you have to be in the system to change it' argument but that probably deserves its own thread.

PS: I say all this with best intentions at heart

the acid never lies wrote: 2) You have to be clever to be in a position of power

yeah sure

dfaultuzr wrote:

the acid never lies wrote: 2) You have to be clever to be in a position of power

yeah sure

In all fairness, he did get to position of "most powerful man in the world", so even if he isn't intelligent, he knew what he had to do to get there, dubious or otherwise. Like people say footballers are stupid, but they're clever enough to know they best work towards being a footballer and earning millions of pounds a year because they have nothing else going for them.

garethom wrote:

dfaultuzr wrote:

the acid never lies wrote: 2) You have to be clever to be in a position of power

yeah sure

In all fairness, he did get to position of "most powerful man in the world", so even if he isn't intelligent, he knew what he had to do to get there, dubious or otherwise. Like people say footballers are stupid, but they're clever enough to know they best work towards being a footballer and earning millions of pounds a year because they have nothing else going for them.

you're confusing intelligence with being told what to do... i dont know how that confusion is possible but you managed it

its like in the simpsons

DUBSTEP REVOLUTION

now that ive got your attention lets talk about something completely unrelated to dubstep

dubsteprevolution wrote:the leaders of those unions have future careers in politics to worry about after all

exactly and you don't you'd rather make a forum and talk about petrol bombing, your not changing anything