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i don't really like either side of the coin tbh. i don't like what people call "brostep", i haven't liked a coki tune in years and most "deep" stuff bores me to tears

of course there's plenty of stuff in between that's fantastic but the whole brostep vs deep argument is ridiculous

continuing the t.williams love in:





remember someone on rinse describing it as sounding like a giant bouncing a ball and i've not heard a better description in ages

^^^
phwoarrrr



fave T.Williams tune there ^^

I obviously didn't mean that Coki churns out "soulful little numbers", what I actually meant was that his rhythms make even his wub-heavy midrange tracks more interesting + pleasant to listen to than your typical brostep tune.

You can't honestly believe that there's essentially NO difference between a track like "Red Eye" and "Love" by Borgore.

...and I even mentioned that his NEW stuff quite certainly IS closer to "brostep".

BROSTEP ARGUMENT AGAIN
THIS IS BORING

I KNOW YOU HATE BROSTEP
I KNOW YOU LIKE COKI THOUGH





THIS IS NOW T. WILLIAMS APPRECIATION THREAD

badger wrote: ...i don't like what people call "brostep", i haven't liked a coki tune in years and most "deep" stuff bores me to tears...of course there's plenty of stuff in between that's fantastic but the whole brostep vs deep argument is ridiculous

this

relentless chainsaw helps punters lose themselves in a moshing workout
but inevitably, like UK punk, some are gunna sense its limitations and wanna dance
same goes for deep stuff that doesn't have groove

incomers tend to be inhibited by there being no set way of stepping,
take awhile to realize yu gotta relax & find your own way into sub & polyrhytms
and come together for the skanky/headbanging bits

but then there's always been those who just stand around listening
so I'm not generalizing.

& Spongebob has far more weight & dynamic than the dross that it's being compared to above

T. Williams goes hard

sd5 wrote:& Spongebob has far more weight & dynamic than the dross that it's being compared to above

sd5 wrote:

badger wrote: ...i don't like what people call "brostep", i haven't liked a coki tune in years and most "deep" stuff bores me to tears...of course there's plenty of stuff in between that's fantastic but the whole brostep vs deep argument is ridiculous

this

relentless chainsaw helps punters lose themselves in a moshing workout
but inevitably, like UK punk, some are gunna sense its limitations and wanna dance
same goes for deep stuff that doesn't have groove

incomers tend to be inhibited by there being no set way of stepping,
take awhile to realize yu gotta relax & find your own way into sub & polyrhytms
and come together for the skanky/headbanging bits

but then there's always been those who just stand around listening
so I'm not generalizing.

& Spongebob has far more weight & dynamic than the dross that it's being compared to above

no ones compared it to anything...??

either way im never really gona agree with some of you on Coki's productions, i like older stuff, i really dont like newer stuff, sweet.

T.Williams is TOP G!!

pikeymobile wrote:My only gripe with Coki's tunes are the way he mixes them down. Moreso with recent tracks rather than the old ones.

Errmm, played Coki's horrid Henry on four grands worth of monitors to a dude who works as a professional sound engineer in a studio with well over a million quid's worth of equipment in. I thought it sounded ridiculously good and he said that the production on it was amazing and it had an incredible warm analogue sound to it in a weird way for the genre of music (this is from a guy who records through a Neve mixing desk and a shit load of vintage compressors every day).

Seriously listen to his recent stuff on some good monitors and it sounds fucking beautiful (Education does even more so though). Have no idea what could annoy you about his sound.

^^^
some people dont like that overly analogue sound

personally i love the production on tracks like Mountain Dread March but i could easily see how someone wouldn't really feel it

in my opinion coki is doing what shite brostep artists like datsik and borgore wish they could produce. seriously his bass lines are mad and out of all the artists going id love to be able to sit next to him while he made a few tunes. he may make some heavy and grimey dance floor smashers but who else does it like him? there are a million datsik and skrillex imitators out there making tunes on the same level but i dont really know of any definitive brostep producer who has copied and nailed coki's style.

people just need to stop being such fucking sizan about dubstep, there seems to be serious trends to be at either extreme of the spectrum. all i ever hear these days is people either defending their love for brostep and filth saying that producers like mala and such are boring and repetitive, and the other extreme of people who will only listen to the most experimental and wacky sounding shit just for the sake of being hip. what happened to just listening to stuff you thought was sick. at dmz 6th birthday i spoke to some dude who said loefah had gotten shit and was making shite tunes these days as if he had some superior taste in music, then see him jumping around to funtcase and all the filth tunes. perhaps people should just actually fucking listen to some sick music instead of arguing about what wanky sub genre it is and who can and cant like it

herbalicious wrote:If people who used to listen to Datsik now listen to Cyrus, good. Hopefully DJ's I don't like will stop getting booked and ruining line ups I'd otherwise want to attend for.

On the Coki front...His tunes have earth shattering sub. The mid-range he uses does in no way compromise that, and in most cases, compliments it. And that's what it's all about, right?

I agree that Coki's midrange doesn't really detract from the sub frequencies and I borgore's songs DO detract from the sub frequencies I thought we were at least talking about GOOD (insert midrange title here) not crap. If you listen to an excision track I don't feel it has less sub than a heavy coki song.


And yes I said cack. I miss the days of old when we called it midrange cack and not brostep

^^^But it has drier production and more lifeless rhythms and lacks atmosphere. Not to mention the general attitude that comes across in those kinds of tracks. Coki's tracks subtlety do a hell of a lot (I've actually spent the entire day till now writing about Coki's production for a uni assignment, haha)

therzbm wrote:in my opinion coki is doing what shite brostep artists like datsik and borgore wish they could produce. seriously his bass lines are mad and out of all the artists going id love to be able to sit next to him while he made a few tunes. he may make some heavy and grimey dance floor smashers but who else does it like him? there are a million datsik and skrillex imitators out there making tunes on the same level but i dont really know of any definitive brostep producer who has copied and nailed coki's style.

people just need to stop being such fucking sizan about dubstep, there seems to be serious trends to be at either extreme of the spectrum. all i ever hear these days is people either defending their love for brostep and filth saying that producers like mala and such are boring and repetitive, and the other extreme of people who will only listen to the most experimental and wacky sounding shit just for the sake of being hip. what happened to just listening to stuff you thought was sick. at dmz 6th birthday i spoke to some dude who said loefah had gotten shit and was making shite tunes these days as if he had some superior taste in music, then see him jumping around to funtcase and all the filth tunes. perhaps people should just actually fucking listen to some sick music instead of arguing about what wanky sub genre it is and who can and cant like it

omg people expressing opinions about music they like and dont like FUCK SHIT WTF?!?!?!

you dont agree, fine, you dont agree, who cares??

basically, the dubstep scene consists of Mala, and Coki, and everyone else is just a cheap permutation of an imitation of their styles

sorry mate, you forgot RSD & D1

EDIT: and I forgot the Magnetic Men & Caspa.

badger wrote:i don't really like either side of the coin tbh. i don't like what people call "brostep", i haven't liked a coki tune in years and most "deep" stuff bores me to tears

Yeah, like.... I think the Borgore take on dubstep is awful, but Clubroot represents to me the exact same mindset on the opposite side of the dubstep spectrum. It's like '80s adult contemporary music in a dubstep format.

"Brostep" and "future garage" are both rather awful to me. With exceptions like older Coki or Broken Note (if you'd call them that..) on one side and perhaps, Burial and Sepalcure on the other.

Genevieve wrote:Haha, people being incapable of recognizing that other people may just like different things are a pet peeve of mine. <.<

haha