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wubstep wrote:

Haven't watched yet, found it on that link.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:..upper middleclass ruperts not yet ready to dig into their inheritance funds yet, so decide to rebel against mummy and pops smothering love by pretending they are commy minded freedom fighters who will only wear hemp and eat organic, that is until they get in their mid 30's, then become the very same stnuc they were pretending to hate, putting that 1st class education they got to good use.

^^^ I think this should be in the video description...

I get the whole idea that material possessions aren't the be all and end all to life. And that there is a desperate need for accommodation for the homeless to help them get back on their feet.

Did these lefties not think to use their money and extremely expensive education to actually help people in need? Or massage their own ego's with bs dreams of revolution?

If you actually watched it, they all stated they didn't receive money off their parents as that would be probably the most hypocritical things imaginable.

There's a distinct difference between 'pseudo-commie-hippies' and Marxist revolutionaries.

wubstep wrote:If you actually watched it, they all stated they didn't receive money off their parents as that would be probably the most hypocritical things imaginable.

There's little difference between 'pseudo-commie-hippies' and people who think they're Marxist revolutionaries.

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Are you trying to say it's impossible to have strong leftist beliefs? At least a couple of people in that video were very fucking clued up and important Marxist figureheads in the 60s-80s.

wubstep wrote:Are you trying to say it's impossible to have strong leftist beliefs? At least a couple of people in that video were very fucking clued up and important Marxist figureheads in the 60s-80s.

Not at all, I just tend to take strong political views and rhetoric with a pinch of salt whether they are from the left or the right.

dubmatters wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

firky wrote: Completely different to the trustafarians I mentioned earlier. Those stnuc should be shot at birth in front of their mother in the throws of labour.

Thats what rubs me, upper middleclass ruperts not yet ready to dig into their inheritance funds yet, so decide to rebel against mummy and pops smothering love by pretending they are commy minded freedom fighters who will only wear hemp and eat organic, that is until they get in their mid 30's, then become the very same stnuc they were pretending to hate, putting that 1st class education they got to good use.

It like they see it as some sort of joke.

I mean who would want to live in a squat out of choice apart from those "fuck the system" pseudo-hippies. I'm sure 99% of people who squat would rather work and get their own place to live.

All the people I know who lived in squats had jobs. Some had what you'd called "good" jobs too. Like I said it's a massive myth that people who squat are vagrants and undeserving poor.

Edit to add: actually come to think about it, most didn't have jobs. Only the one girl I knew had a job, the rest of her housemates were students are 'artists'

clifford_- wrote:

firky wrote:

dubmatters wrote: Just like Irish travelers (who are one of the oldest indigenous tribes in Europe) and Romanies they're persucated because they choose to live differently. Someone once said because they're a threat to the state should the numbers spread. I don't believe that but I do believe that's where the origins come from. If you look at English poverty law during tudor times you'll find an act that passed which stopped people from traveling. I think somehow it extends from that.

I think travelers (gypseys, pikeys, whatever people in your area call them) are persecuted so much becuase a large portion of them are thieves, and generally violent, horrible (and quite often VERY racist) people. (not all of em obviosuly, i do have traveller friends before anyone decides to jump on on their high horse)
It does tend to be the younger ones that are trouble, which you could say about all young people, however, i dont tend to cross the road if i see a group of chavs walking along the road, gypseys are a different story...

Black people are scum, they're always the biggest population in jails. It's as if their genes make them inherently bad, am not being racist before anyone jumps on their moral high horse. I say this because I have seen lots of American films, read the papers and the only time I've seen them on TV is when they're nicking cars or something. Also my mate, Kev, told me how this black kid shgged his sister, that's just further proof that it is justifiable to hate an ethnic group.

Some of them are VERY racist even though my statement is not racist because I am better than them.

clifford_- wrote: I think travelers (gypseys, pikeys, whatever people in your area call them) are persecuted so much becuase a large portion of them are thieves, and generally violent, horrible (and quite often VERY racist) people. (not all of em obviosuly, i do have traveller friends before anyone decides to jump on on their high horse)
It does tend to be the younger ones that are trouble, which you could say about all young people, however, i dont tend to cross the road if i see a group of chavs walking along the road, gypseys are a different story...

You know this post really urrks me, not because it's racist but because it's depressing. I honestly think our generation is the one to be proud of, most people hate any iscm of any form and seem to question the status quo when socially equality is anything but, slowly breaking that glass ceiling, no longer homophobic, racist, hateful and ignorant of other people and their cultures. But now and again you realise that this isn't the case, there's still people out there who are quite repulsive human beings.

Also pisses me off because I didn't expect something like this to be on DSF with out being a troll or an idiot, but you're alright, clifford. At least I used to think you were.

I think travelers (gypseys, pikeys, whatever people in your area call them) are persecuted so much becuase a large portion of them are thieves, and generally violent, horrible (and quite often VERY racist) people.

from my experience (not some unfounded dogmatic belief) this is true.
possibly its the other way round, they are violent toward and steal from 'normal' society because they are persecuted by it, but either way to condemn this post as idiotic is stupid.
I dont have any moral issues with the way they act, but to pretend they dont live in a culture based on bigotry and violence is silly.

firky wrote:

clifford_- wrote: I think travelers (gypseys, pikeys, whatever people in your area call them) are persecuted so much becuase a large portion of them are thieves, and generally violent, horrible (and quite often VERY racist) people. (not all of em obviosuly, i do have traveller friends before anyone decides to jump on on their high horse)
It does tend to be the younger ones that are trouble, which you could say about all young people, however, i dont tend to cross the road if i see a group of chavs walking along the road, gypseys are a different story...

You know this post really urrks me, not because it's racist but because it's depressing. I honestly think our generation is the one to be proud of, most people hate any iscm of any form and seem to question the status quo when socially equality is anything but, slowly breaking that glass ceiling, no longer homophobic, racist, hateful and ignorant of other people and their cultures. But now and again you realise that this isn't the case, there's still people out there who are quite repulsive human beings.

Also pisses me off because I didn't expect something like this to be on DSF with out being a troll or an idiot, but you're alright, clifford. At least I used to think you were.

way to over react dude.

I don't think it is possible to over-react to racism, it requires a militant reaction when the person is intelligent enough to know better. Racism is disgusting and should be opposed and challenged at every level.

Plus he was answering a quote which gave some explanation to the persecution and he chose to pick up the wrong baton and run with it. Now you have to be pretty stupid to do that!

TAHTS RACIST!

it's actually insulting to compare prejudice against travellers to prejudice against black people, who don't have one universal culture and don't remove themselves from society.

racism is a naturally occurring sub conscious human response to something unknown and/or different.

AntlionUK wrote:racism is a naturally occurring sub conscious human response to something unknown and/or different.

nah mistrust might be but racism itself is more profound.

Badman Juice wrote:it's actually insulting to compare prejudice against travellers to prejudice against black people, who don't have one universal culture and don't remove themselves from society.

All travelers have the same culture, are you sure? Why shouldn't people be able to choose to live in a different society?

well yeah because I think the travellers being discussed are defined as part of that group by their culture.

didn't say people shouldn't be able to choose to live in a different society. my point was that prejudice against travellers is based on elements of a constructed culture, which people should feel free to criticise, rather than just the amount of melanin in their skin.

As squatting is illegal i think the mods should lock this thread to keep in accordance with their own rules.

Gewze wrote:

dubmatters wrote:Its the drinking, drugs and associated probems that most people don't like.

But what else is there to do if your unemployed and living in an disused building?

get themselves a fucking job and get their own house

lol