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youthful_implants wrote: but I bet your songs aint sounding that good.

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just a quick one guys, ive found some decent samples, so i use a couple of samples together to make the sound, but leave them as two separate midi notes ? or combine into one ?

Then i have different midi tracks for each part of the percussion

Then i apply EQ eight to each of these tracks getting rid of unwanted frequency, i use a low pass ? filter on the EQ8 and then adjust accordingly ?

If sorry if some of its wrong just trying to see if ive learned anything here !

You didn't watch the tut.... it shows you how to combine them so they play simultaneously INSIDE the drumrack. Then it only takes one midi note to play any number of samples.

And depone, hopefully you weren't replying to my post. Cuz I was pretty clear about there being no hard and fasts...

Grime Syndicate wrote:You didn't watch the tut.... it shows you how to combine them so they play simultaneously INSIDE the drumrack. Then it only takes one midi note to play any number of samples.

And depone, hopefully you weren't replying to my post. Cuz I was pretty clear about there being no hard and fasts...

of course i watched the tutorial man, Im just saying is EQing all kicks in the layer the best way to do it ? or is it better to EQ individually then put together. Im reading and watching everything that gets posted.

Depone wrote:

youthful_implants wrote: but I bet your songs aint sounding that good.

wanna battle
?

haha I wasn't really talking to you.. and no.

but I dont believe you do everything solely by ear either. I dont know anybody that doesn't get frequency specific when they're engineering their music...

No best, try both... or neither.

Oh, and you would use a highpass tho, if you're talking kicks and snares. So that you're cutting out bass freq's and letting everything above through. Its all visually represented there in the EQ8

Tiger Blood wrote:

Grime Syndicate wrote:You didn't watch the tut.... it shows you how to combine them so they play simultaneously INSIDE the drumrack. Then it only takes one midi note to play any number of samples.

And depone, hopefully you weren't replying to my post. Cuz I was pretty clear about there being no hard and fasts...

of course i watched the tutorial man, Im just saying is EQing all kicks in the layer the best way to do it ? or is it better to EQ individually then put together. Im reading and watching everything that gets posted.

depends innit.

you'd save yourself loads of time if you just found a phat kick that didn't need layering with another one.

usually if I'm grouping drums together I'll process them individually and then together as well so they fit nicely.

its easier in audio to make sure the transients don't overlap too much so they don't flam or phase.

thanks, some of these samples sound good enough to stand without layers.

An issue i was having is i group all the kicks for example the write them in as 1 midi note then drop a EQ8 on the slot in the rum rack they are in and they all just seem to go silent? am i inserting it in the wrong place? it seemed to do the same if i dropped it on the channel aswell ?

And so i not high pass filter the kicks aswell ? so separate from the sub bass?

That's odd. the silence I mean. Try both things. EQ the shit out of something, then try it without eq'ing at all. (of course in reference to the rest of your track, cuz until you have a feel for where you're going with things, you can't really dial it in.) Try everything. Five times. Until then, you're on timeout. No more answers for u.

youthful_implants wrote:

Depone wrote:

youthful_implants wrote: but I bet your songs aint sounding that good.

wanna battle
?

haha I wasn't really talking to you.. and no.

but I dont believe you do everything solely by ear either. I dont know anybody that doesn't get frequency specific when they're engineering their music...

No your right in saying i dont do everything by ear, and actually use visualisers as a starting refrence point, but the point i was making is that getting frequency in a set way isnt good, as its dependent to the audio at hand each time is diferent, not all snares are peaked at 200hz, not all kicks should be hipassed etc... so no i dont get specific with the numbers because its only relevent to the audio at hand

youthful_implants wrote: lol to be fair if I'd started a thread asking for advice on a specific subject and all people could tell me was learn it your own way and good luck - I'd feel a bit short changed.

The fact is, there are guidelines for which frequencies drums should be hitting in music production in general and you can pretend you dont need them if you like, but I bet your songs aint sounding that good.

I gave good advice! best advice I think anyone could receive would be telling them to stop listening to forum producers:)

I don't agree with guidelines but lets just agree to disagree.

They don't sound good to me so its irrelevant if you like them

hey guys ive been trying to get these drums down and this is where im at so far

http://soundcloud.com/djtigerblood/dark-dub

i know the track isnt good but im trying to piece together all ive learned to start making at least full songs.

Anyfeed back on the sounds would be great. Thanks !!

Posting for future reference, some helpful stuff here!

start by getting really comfortable with eq'ing individual sounds. once you think you got the hang of that start compressing your kick or your snare individually until your comforatable with compression. dont worry about routing creativity until youve mastered the effect you want to use.

sounds like the lowend of your kick is making the sub fart out a bit. maybe highpass your kick slightly (up to 60-70hz) or what I do a lot is automate the volume of the sub to drop out when the kick hits (does the same thing as sidechaining compression). this way you dont have to sub frequences playing at the same time.

snare feels a bit dry too, the sounds overall are punchy enough tho, not really any eq other than the kick thing

youthful_implants wrote:

Depone wrote:

youthful_implants wrote: but I bet your songs aint sounding that good.

wanna battle
?

haha I wasn't really talking to you.. and no.

but I dont believe you do everything solely by ear either. I dont know anybody that doesn't get frequency specific when they're engineering their music...

I don't. Used to till I realised the best thing for me was to ignore 99% of all the advice I had ever been given on the internet and just figure stuff out myself.

Generally the best tunes you write will be ones where you have broken some 'holy law of producing'.

paravrais wrote:Generally the best tunes you write will be ones where you have broken some 'holy law of producing'.

Yeah serious. Try making all of your channels clip. Epic.

make room for whats needed without cutting key elements unless you add to em.
i always have this issue with non sidechained kicks making em punch through with leaving room for my sub. my one real weak point when it comes to drums (might be my ears)

also, finding a kick that is at the same pitch of the root of the song will make it sit a little better in general, but you dont always get lucky with that, and pitching it around can ruin the sound of the kick itself