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In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

Kid Robotik wrote:In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

I wouldnt argue with that.

Kid Robotik wrote:In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

When my mate was at Uni in Dundee the Scottish people used to call the tracksuit kids "Schemies"... I kind of liked that one. There's a veiled respect in it somehow... if you're scheming, you must have a good brain.

Chav is a disgusting term, tbh. The last ten years have shown that our society is still desperate to find bits of itself that can be dehumanised for the sake of ego-stroking in the middle classes. Labelling large swaithes of the country as "Chav" allows people to not empathise with them as people posessing hopes, fears, loves and hates like the rest of us... it's the same theory as the N-Word and the Star of David, just done to a level we consider acceptable... most of us consider it a no-brainer that slavery and genocide is wrong, but making millions of our countrymen feel like they're worthless burdens, dragging our society's 'standards' to its knees? Yeah, that's still cool.

magma wrote:

Kid Robotik wrote:In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

When my mate was at Uni in Dundee the Scottish people used to call the tracksuit kids "Schemies"... I kind of liked that one. There's a veiled respect in it somehow... if you're scheming, you must have a good brain.

Chav is a disgusting term, tbh. The last ten years have shown that our society is still desperate to find bits of itself that can be dehumanised for the sake of ego-stroking in the middle classes. Labelling large swaithes of the country as "Chav" allows people to not empathise with them as people posessing hopes, fears, loves and hates like the rest of us... it's the same theory as the N-Word and the Star of David, just done to a level we consider acceptable... most of us consider it a no-brainer that slavery and genocide is wrong, but making millions of our countrymen feel like they're worthless burdens, dragging our society's 'standards' to its knees? Yeah, that's still cool.

i had to lay into some kid at a punk night for calling me a chav. about an hour later he came over, apologised, and shook my hand very respectfully.
were now very good mates.

clifford_- wrote:i had to lay into some kid at a punk night for calling me a chav. about an hour later he came over, apologised, and shook my hand very respectfully.
were now very good mates.

Damn... well done for not swinging on him! I can't believe people are so brazen with it - given that most of the time, all they have to go on is dress-sense and accent, it's really not far from racism. I don't get the same abuse day-by-day for wearing the same uniform as the bankers/businessmen who stole/lost hundreds of billions from the economy - why is it only the working classes (who may be guilty, in comparison, of a few tens of millions of benefit fraud, crime etc) we unfairly persecute like this?

Oh yeah, it's because they have no power and speak with inarticurlate voices... it's easy for cowards looking for a quick ego-boost to ignore their hurt feelings. Look at his rubbish tracksuit! Look how he gets violent if I patronise him with my wordy education!

I'm glad punk-dude saw the error of his ways and did the right thing. He's obviously not been listening to the lyrics properly (though you could say the same for fans of urban music in this thread).

OK, so I agree that it's wrong to label someone based on their clothes and taste in Argos jewellery, but if someone is a ne'er-do-well should they not be told so?

^What he said, its wrong to judge people purely for those reasons but what name to we give to the lazy, ignorant people that refuse to work and dont do anything for society? They give a bad name to the people that work more than anyone else.

JBoy wrote:^What he said, its wrong to judge people purely for those reasons but what name to we give to the lazy, ignorant people that refuse to work and dont do anything for society? They give a bad name to the people that work more than anyone else.

you call them lazy ignorant people who dont want to work



@magma, i did swing, just gave him a little bit of a clout or two, thts what i meant by laid into him.
but he learnt a lesson, he actually came to rinse vs fwd on my birthday the year before last! hah

clifford_ wrote:@magma, i did swing, just gave him a little bit of a clout or two, thts what i meant by laid into him.
but he learnt a lesson, he actually came to rinse vs fwd on my birthday the year before last! hah

Haha... that's my natural pussy'ole creeping out... for me, "laying into someone" is probably giving them a dirty look and then whinging to my mates about it. He deserved it, tbh.

Laszlo wrote:OK, so I agree that it's wrong to label someone based on their clothes and taste in Argos jewellery, but if someone is a ne'er-do-well should they not be told so?

Of course they should, but how are you judging whether someone's a ne'er-do-well from a photo, from seeing their car drive past or because they listen to music you don't like?

There are equally as many rapscallions in the middle classes as the lower - why is the abuse so heavily directed towards the poor ones? Why is it ok to charicature poor people's clothes/accents, but not rich?

I have to say, I find the daily sight of traders flashing their Rolex's over Oyster readers in the City (they remove the chips and put them on the undersides of their watches so they have an excuse to flash) far more offensive and antisocial than I do seeing a group of 17 year olds wearing Kappa tracksuits drinking White Lightning in the park. One group are privelidged socialites holding the country to ransom over billons of pounds... the other are underprivelidged kids trying to escape the grey monotony of life on the estate.... which ones do you think we should be publically calling-out on their behaviour?

For some reason we've been taught to consider poor people as offensive on the eye even if they're not really doing anything wrong... it's really quite disturbing. Britain has been ready for Tory government for years, it seems.

magma wrote:

Kid Robotik wrote:In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

When my mate was at Uni in Dundee the Scottish people used to call the tracksuit kids "Schemies"... I kind of liked that one. There's a veiled respect in it somehow... if you're scheming, you must have a good brain.

If only that were why folk called them that. Council estates in Scotland are called schemes, hence schemies...

^yeah thats the one

@magma, you make some good points but i think you read into it all too much mate.

teamhobson wrote:

magma wrote:

Kid Robotik wrote:In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

When my mate was at Uni in Dundee the Scottish people used to call the tracksuit kids "Schemies"... I kind of liked that one. There's a veiled respect in it somehow... if you're scheming, you must have a good brain.

If only that were why folk called them that. Council estates in Scotland are called schemes, hence schemies...

I'm almost sad I learnt this.

Interesting though... if "Projects" was used in the same way in America, it'd be fairly obvious racism. Lucky we've got so many poor, urban whites so we don't fuck about and accidentally accuse ourselves of the same thing.

it is, you know

magma wrote:

teamhobson wrote:

magma wrote:

Kid Robotik wrote:In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

When my mate was at Uni in Dundee the Scottish people used to call the tracksuit kids "Schemies"... I kind of liked that one. There's a veiled respect in it somehow... if you're scheming, you must have a good brain.

If only that were why folk called them that. Council estates in Scotland are called schemes, hence schemies...

I'm almost sad I learnt this.

Interesting though... if "Projects" was used in the same way in America, it'd be fairly obvious racism. Lucky we've got so many poor, urban whites so we don't fuck about and accidentally accuse ourselves of the same thing.

Think you need to calm down mate, no point in getting yourself worked up over these things.

JBoy wrote:

magma wrote:

teamhobson wrote:

magma wrote:

Kid Robotik wrote:In scotland, we call them neds, and they'd kick your chav's stnuc in.

When my mate was at Uni in Dundee the Scottish people used to call the tracksuit kids "Schemies"... I kind of liked that one. There's a veiled respect in it somehow... if you're scheming, you must have a good brain.

If only that were why folk called them that. Council estates in Scotland are called schemes, hence schemies...

I'm almost sad I learnt this.

Interesting though... if "Projects" was used in the same way in America, it'd be fairly obvious racism. Lucky we've got so many poor, urban whites so we don't fuck about and accidentally accuse ourselves of the same thing.

Think you need to calm down mate, no point in getting yourself worked up over these things.

I think you're mistaking my posting style and avatar for aggression... I'm chill as always.

magma wrote:Why is it ok to charicature poor people's clothes/accents, but not rich?

On this forum, because the majority of members seem to be from lower middle-class backgrounds judging by their comments, where sneering at a step below your social ranking is acceptable.
Where as if you go waltzing onto a deprived council estate, in your shiny polo gear, talking the queens plumbs, down your iPhone4S, you will pay for your privileged background of ignorance.

^Didnt think you were being aggressive for one second! Just i know what its like to over think about these things, its almost infuriating to know whats going on in the world and the double standards of society.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

magma wrote:Why is it ok to charicature poor people's clothes/accents, but not rich?

On this forum, because the majority of members seem to be from lower middle-class backgrounds judging by their comments, where sneering at a step below your social ranking is acceptable.
Where as if you go waltzing onto a deprived council estate, in your shiny polo gear, talking the queens plumbs, down your iPhone4S, you will pay for your privileged background of ignorance.

Yeah they deserve to get mugged dont they.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

magma wrote:Why is it ok to charicature poor people's clothes/accents, but not rich?

On this forum, because the majority of members seem to be from lower middle-class backgrounds judging by their comments, where sneering at a step below your social ranking is acceptable.
Where as if you go waltzing onto a deprived council estate, in your shiny polo gear, talking the queens plumbs, down your iPhone4S, you will pay for your privileged background of ignorance.

I'm not really just talking about this forum... the Internet and society in general. "Chav" steam rollered from the moment ChavScum.co.uk went viral (2000ish?) and it's become common vocabulary for a great deal of the country... I doubt there are many people in our land that haven't called someone a "fucking chav" in the last decade. It's accepted... this in itself tells us something about our society.

It didn't shock me to see that after ~10 years of subtley (occasionally much less than subtley) demonizing and dehumanising our "underclasses" we had to deal with them rioting. Why would they give a fuck about a society that brands them as less worthy than their well-dressed neighbours?

JBoy wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

magma wrote:Why is it ok to charicature poor people's clothes/accents, but not rich?

On this forum, because the majority of members seem to be from lower middle-class backgrounds judging by their comments, where sneering at a step below your social ranking is acceptable.
Where as if you go waltzing onto a deprived council estate, in your shiny polo gear, talking the queens plumbs, down your iPhone4S, you will pay for your privileged background of ignorance.

Yeah they deserve to get mugged dont they.

Yes.