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pk- wrote:there's no actual proof that second hand smoke causes health problems, though. this law is the equivalent of a judge saying 'everyone knows he dunnit, send him down'.

Yes there is.

http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/smokescreen#2

Bar staff shouldn't have to breathe in cancerous fumes as part of their job.

I can't wait for the chance to go out and come home not stinking of cigarette smoke, but I'll be pissed off if I can't smoke pure weed spliffs.

When I smoke weed in a club I never talk to any girls...

Totally agree that clubs in England are going to be regular stinky cesspits from 1 july.

I went to a night few weeks ago where hardly anyone was toking and by 2am my nose knew it was time to make a swift exit

The ban is total, although… I was talking to a member of the London Assembly about the reports they’ve done about smoking in public places and when I asked about smoking clubs run by smokers for smokers she said that would be a ‘test’ case (i.e. they ain't thought of that yet!).

If the bar was run by the members themselves on some kind of rota or whatever, it might not technically be a ‘workplace’.

Maybe this could apply to certain nights, if there are venues up for it???

In the lead-up to the smoking ban, I’m doing a weekly radio series on Resonance FM called cigarette Break, www.myspace.com/fagbreakshow

I’m reading the Allen Carr book at the moment, big up to those giving up cigarettes but maintaining the right to smoke anything else!

dak attak wrote:

sapphic_beats wrote:i just find it funny that BARS (serving alcohol, which kills people pretty well too) have smoking bans. they are doing it all over here in the US too, and the irony is just inescapable.

although the nice thing is, less smoke in the building means more lung power, which means longer marathon skankin' sessions.

the silver lining i suppose.

it's not ironic, its peoples choice to buy drinks at the bar but you can't choose to not breathe in other peoples smoke...its been law in NZ for a while too and everyone had the same reaction, its going to bring business down rah rah but really all it means is that people go outside when they have a cigarette. but yeah you're right dublinstep, it does change the culture a bit too all these people hanging outside the clubs...you can hear people easier when you talk to them heh heh

personally i like being able to breathe

oh don't get me wrong. i am a smoker and i find it a bit oppressive to be in a smoky bar. that and i don't think anyone should have to suffocate so i can get my fix. but saying that alcohol affects no one but the one drinking it is ignoring reality as well. obviously not QUITE the same, but ya can't say that alcohol is only an issue for the drinker (vomit, violence, drunken driving, belligerence, sexually inappropriate behavior...pick one). the difference is that one is a direct route to someone's lungs and one is a behavioral effect that spreads outward. but i think each is equally destructive in their own way.

i don't disagree with businesses making smokers go outside, by the way (as a smoker, i don't take much issue with it). that said i must admit i DO have an issue with governments regulating individual behavior, while corporations are still allowed to continue selling death. but that's got a lot to do with my anarchist bent, truthfully. and i still think it's ironic that people can get wasted in bars, but not smoke...sorry. i still get a laugh out of it.

don't worry, like any law it will become relaxed and everyone will pretty much ignore it with time, first couple months police will go millitant, after that its all gravy....

failing that, DMZ at sea is the best option

sapphic_beats wrote:

obviously not QUITE the same, but ya can't say that alcohol is only an issue for the drinker (vomit, violence, drunken driving, belligerence, sexually inappropriate behavior...pick one). the difference is that one is a direct route to someone's lungs and one is a behavioral effect that spreads outward. but i think each is equally destructive in their own way.

well yes excactly

Thomas wrote:don't worry, like any law it will become relaxed and everyone will pretty much ignore it with time, first couple months police will go millitant, after that its all gravy....

failing that, DMZ at sea is the best option

Doubt it very much.

DMZ in Japan innit.

The Japanese government still owns 50% of Japan Tobacco so they have no incentive to reduce smoking. All of the "tobacco kills"-style slogans are toned down and the government warnings (albeit very amusing) are more about littering than coughing chunks of your lungs out:





Mum taking the nipper to a tobacco festival:

^^^^

absolute class!!

Cant remember who did say it, but people have been saying that as a smoker youve just got to pop outside for 5 mins right?

You tell me one second where you would have happily left the room during dmz 2nd bday. Fuck that.

And im seriously going to look into the practicalities of selling some sort o' cookie i reckons...just how to get em in!

The Wiggle Baron wrote: And im seriously going to look into the practicalities of selling some sort o' cookie i reckons...just how to get em in!

I had a packet of digestives at the last DMZ

ramadanman wrote:

The Wiggle Baron wrote: And im seriously going to look into the practicalities of selling some sort o' cookie i reckons...just how to get em in!

I had a packet of digestives at the last DMZ

Disco biscuits!

Hmm, I just thought of another point.

I know its not often like this with dubstep, but I have been to a tonne of other gigs where the place is RAMMED. Now, you can say that youve just got to pop outside for 5 mins, but everyone knows how hard it can be to squeeze your way out of a crowd, and everyone knows that once youve done that theres no going back in (unless youre 6ft 8 and built like a brick shit house).

So basically, people who want to smoke a few joints/whatever during the course of the night are pretty much resigned to staying by the door, and I dont know about you but I like getting into the thick of things.

like its been said. there will be no exceptions. no men in luminous jackets either. undercover spys do the job. the fines will be so hench that everywhere will enforce the ban.

i believe this will push music like the music we listen too back underground. after the success of the man make music and dubstep afterhours parties this is not such a bad thing. it is kinda sad that the atmosphere at club nights will change but think of the extra years on your life. anxious smokers take a truck load of green to dmz this sat and get so lean up your eyes bleed and you cant speak.

i dont smoke cigs

metalboxproducts wrote:It an out right ban. There are no loop holes. Noestablishent will be exempt.

almost right but not quite. the only loophole is that a performer is allowed to smoke if it's part of their act. so basically pokes is going to have to smoke like a fucking trooper to make the air thick for the rest of us.

Junior Top wrote:two words - squat party...

this is the answer.
you can see it happening already, warehouse parties are sprining up all over east london every single weekend.

colm wrote:you can see it happening already, warehouse parties are sprining up all over east london every single weekend.

squat/free/warehouse raves have been going down all over London for a long long time.

Good idea on the pokes loophole!

Smoking ban is a pile of bollocks - danger of passive smoking is a myth.