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oh i get it lol so thats how you say the scales without having to be in a specified key...i think i may have actually used that before in music class back like 3 yrs ago

Does anyone have anything similar to this but for the piano?
http://www.drumbot.com/projects/key_chords/

paravrais wrote:
@Kaiori - Great post, mostly stuff I know or have been trying to learn recently but still some interesting things to think about. Got a question though, I have all my scales/modes written down like this "STTSTTS" (Locrian) but I see you've never put the final interval, just put KN instead and your example for Locrian actually jumps a whole tone at the end. Is this because the final interval can change depending on the key you play modes in or have I made a mistake when I was writing that mode down?

I put KN instead of writing T/S/T+S...etc because the note you start on will always be the one you land on at the end. If you're playing the C Major scale in one octave, you'll play CDEFGABC, if you're playing A aeolian in one octave you'll play ABCDEFGA, if you're playing B Locrian in one octave you'll play BCDEFGAB...etc - I never write whether it's a T/S/T+S...etc because the final note is always the same as the first. It's kind of like in maths when you're told to show your working out, for the final note, I don't, because it's implied it's the same as the first. The final interval in a Major scale is a semitone, so in C major, you'll be moving from a B to a C, but I don't bother specifying that, because the final note of a C major scale is a C, the final interval in a locrian mode is a tone, so in C Locrian you'll be moving from Bb to C, but again, the final note's the same as the first, so i don't specify the interval. Hope that clears it up for you.

It's just a different way of writing the formulas really.

As for your locrian formula (STTSTTS), I used it on C and here's what I got:
C-Db-Eb-F-Gb-Ab-Bb-B, your final interval should be a tone, rather than a semitone, so, as you would write it, it should read S-T-T-S-T-T-T (and for me me that would read KN-S-T-T-S-T-T-KN but it's saying the same thing and will get the same result)

Hope that helps man.

@kaiori breathe- nice post man some good shit in there. i only know very basic theory myself so always trying to gain some more knowledge [lazily]
if only i took music at school instead of..... something else???

@Kaiori - Yeah I knew that they all end with the root note XD I might not be a musical theory master but I know a bit more than the very basics lol. When I read what you put for C Locrian it threw me because I knew I had it down different and knowing that you weren't likely to get it wrong I didn't know if I'd copied it wrong or everything I knew about theory was flawed. Luckily I guess I just copied it down wrong in a hurry.

paravrais wrote:@Kaiori - Yeah I knew that they all end with the root note XD I might not be a musical theory master but I know a bit more than the very basics lol. When I read what you put for C Locrian it threw me because I knew I had it down different and knowing that you weren't likely to get it wrong I didn't know if I'd copied it wrong or everything I knew about theory was flawed. Luckily I guess I just copied it down wrong in a hurry.

Yea sorry if I seemed like I was talking down to you or whatever, I know you know your stuff, just when I talk theory on DSF I tend to try to keep it in as simple terms as I can and explain things in as many ways as I can so if other people who are just getting to grips happen to read something I write they don't get too confused.

wizeguy wrote:@kaiori breathe- nice post man some good shit in there. i only know very basic theory myself so always trying to gain some more knowledge [lazily]
if only i took music at school instead of..... something else???

I'm a school of music drop out if that's of any consolation. You can learn way more, way faster, on your own time than you'll ever learn in a classroom environment in my opinion.

yea i dont think i would have paid any attention anyway, i was high from about 2004-2007

wizeguy wrote:yea i dont think i would have paid any attention anyway, i was high from about 2004-2007

high? pfft, I know the last decade of my life solely as 'the lost years'

kaiori breathe wrote:I'm a school of music drop out if that's of any consolation. You can learn way more, way faster, on your own time than you'll ever learn in a classroom environment in my opinion.

God this rings so true for me it's ridiculous. < 10 months production, thanks to this very forum - and I'm already turning heads. If I were to do a course there's no way in hell I'd be where I am, because I wouldn't be able to focus on the aspects of production that I love, or know I need to learn next.

amphibian wrote:

kaiori breathe wrote:I'm a school of music drop out if that's of any consolation. You can learn way more, way faster, on your own time than you'll ever learn in a classroom environment in my opinion.

God this rings so true for me it's ridiculous. < 10 months production, thanks to this very forum - and I'm already turning heads. If I were to do a course there's no way in hell I'd be where I am, because I wouldn't be able to focus on the aspects of production that I love, or know I need to learn next.

This.
I started playing the guitar, learning diff songs that I like, and after 1 year I was better than a dude that had gone to music class for 4 years.
I find it so much easier when i get to pick what I want to learn, when I want to learn it etc

blinkesko wrote:

amphibian wrote:

kaiori breathe wrote:I'm a school of music drop out if that's of any consolation. You can learn way more, way faster, on your own time than you'll ever learn in a classroom environment in my opinion.

God this rings so true for me it's ridiculous. < 10 months production, thanks to this very forum - and I'm already turning heads. If I were to do a course there's no way in hell I'd be where I am, because I wouldn't be able to focus on the aspects of production that I love, or know I need to learn next.

This.
I started playing the guitar, learning diff songs that I like, and after 1 year I was better than a dude that had gone to music class for 4 years.
I find it so much easier when i get to pick what I want to learn, when I want to learn it etc

Ive always naturally been musical. I was singing before I could talk.

were you a choir boy?

amphibian wrote:were you a choir boy?

actually no...surprisingly.

thank
ks heaps guys

My theory has always been 'doesnt matter how skilled you are, if it sounds good, youre a genius', but i genuinely think that even just a little bit of thoery runs a long way.
To be honest, it's not even theory, it's instinctiveness and knowing your instrument. Me and a few friends meet up every so often to have a jam (guitar), and they all say that I end up looking as the best player. But we all know I'm technically the least skilled guitarist of the three, it's just that they're rooted in learning things to the book, and getting 'technique' correct. My musical theory is based on improvisation, knowing what notes sound good in a scale, knowing what the intervals are between notes etc etc. I do think that the subtle difference between, as Kaiori describes "classroom" theory, and "practical" theory is key. There's a psychologist called Sternberg who proposed a theory of intelligence which involved being 'street-smart', and all the stick-in-the-mud psych's disregarded it, but now, its looked upon as a more sound theory. Kinda applies here, its one thing having ace 'classroom' theory, but if you cant APPLY it, then it's merely mathematics with squiggles and lines.

I'll leave you with a quote from Josh Homme (QOTSA). "It is impossible to play a wrong note, ever note sounds correct in a scale, it is merely how you resolve it that determines how good it sounds".

this is now the "brag about your musical skillzz" thread

learning theroy isnt hard- its putting it into practice in an actual song environmnet which is tricky

u guys forgot one thing,

Jesus was a Mushroom

hutyluty wrote:learning theroy isnt hard- its putting it into practice in an actual song environmnet which is tricky

This.


And, its not bragging, jesus christ it's helping. Next time we wont fucking help.