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See, stuff like that is hard to implement (the week before being able to start threads, plus forums what do taht kinda stuff, I find it hard to get involved and usually forget about the forums). I'm going to work on some copy+paste things for threads (something ive really been slacking on).

I started the DJ bible to stop the constant CDJ/Deck questions and no ones really contributed... (i'll be fucked if I am going to do it all on my own - sorry but I ain't haha..)

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=196535
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=196536

^^^^^^

Ive tried to slowly change things with little-no help so it is a bit tough to keep everyone happy.

honestly i don't think it can be salvaged at this point
it's a new crop of kids who want instant gratification with little to no work and who don't use tools already at their fingertips (the stickies, search etc)
it's funny when people say good to see you post or where have you been to me, and i just say i didn't go anywhere, there's just nothing that hasn't been covered to death or of any interest to post about and half the time you don't even have to open the threads to know that
also there's all these social network styled threads like those retarded polls on facebook of what's/who's ur favorite ..., what should i buy (loads of repeats of these like the headphone, audio interface, and monitor markets are being flooded with new products weekly), and other things that are pretty irrelevant, not that they don't lighten up the mood time to time and provide some community, but when they get asked all the time and repeatedly (remember not too long back when the same one was posted when the topic was already open on page 1 of the board, oh wait that happens all the time)
i've suggested time and time again a time period for new users before starting new topics, not posting, but new topics
also an autoflagging function would help in forum self moderation say have it so if 5 users flag a post it automatically gets moved to a moderation subforum for review instead of the system as is
just get rid of the WIP thread as it seems to have become a crutch for some people not to network, along with a spam magnet for people who don't post in any other thread but that one in regards to this board
regarding actually production conversation on here, it's just the same stagnant crap being regurgitated over and over and often wayyy to specifically aimed rather than general techniques which help encourage learning and self sufficiency more, then again when you have a sticky for all the annoying bass questions instead of say the moneyshot thread, what do you expect the level of conversation to be?

I'll say it again (even though you're just raising opinion).

We can't implement any plugins or posting rules especially for Production (well, not any time soon).

My agenda for today is to re-organise the stickies/announcements, if anyone has a thread they want stickied please feel free to PM me the link... The moneyshot thread is getting re-stickied (I dunno why it went in the first place?).

Repeating and already asked question is irritating, yes alot, but those threads get so many replies 90% of the time cuz everyone bumping the shit out of it by hating on the OP. And everybody is wondering why there are so many crap threads on the 1st page. The thing is, these these threads will always be made, the amount could be brought back to some degree by having clearly labeled stickies. But even then new will pop up, cuz most people are too lazy to do a search. When these pop up IMO best thing to do, is redirect the OP to where he or she needs to be, with just a single post, so the thread will fall down the page in no time. No need for for 5 people telling him the same stuff.

Personally I just read the stuff that seems interesting and don't even post that much unless I have something to contribute. Alot of new producers try to answer every single question, even if they dont know what they are talking about. Don't know the answer? then don't post, you are just confusing people and sending them in the wrong direction. When I started out I just read the threads for like 1 year before even signing up. To be clear I'm not saying that beginners should not post at all tho. Also, I hate when someone doesn't name a thread properly and I have to click just to find out whats it about. It's not that hard really.

just changing the stickies is going to do very little as the ones who should be reading them are the ones who ignore them and post new topics instead
just get back to locking the repeated questions threads so they sink into oblivion like dave used to

oprs wrote: i think new forum users would gain a lot more respect by actually taking the time to scroll down for answers instead of automatically going for the new topic button
i would 150% agree with a week wait period of signing up til actually being able to make new threads

I think this would be the best way to deter new posters from posting rubbish.
Either that or they`ll just go somewhere else to post from the hip without searching first.

But forcing them to take the time to read is a great idea.

Every member that is active and contributing much, like wub or someone, should be able to lock threads.

blinkesko wrote:Every member that is active and contributing much, like wub or someone, should be able to lock threads.

I gots me a namecheck

blinkesko wrote:Every member that is active and contributing much, like wub or someone, should be able to lock threads.

I really wouldn`t give wub the power.
he`d abuse it



Seriously though, there are too many folks who could be mods that would abuse the power based on their moods.

I abuse power and I am a mod.

I think I might change the big red text at the top of the forum to something more threatening and eye catching.

pete bubonic wrote:I abuse power and I am a mod.

I think I might change the big red text at the top of the forum to something more threatening and eye catching.

You seem to be a pretty level-headed dude.
I`ve never seen you abuse your power.
maybe I just missed the threads though

We are going to be having this exact same conversation in a few months, we had it with Dave, we are having it with Lege and Pete, and we will have it with the next moderators that come along (provided the production forum lasts that long).

People are getting upset about the repeated basic questions that are being asked, but the truth is that its been like that for ages. Maybe we need to accept that the production forum now a days is just for people to gather a bit of info whilst they are still newbies and after that they leave and the forum is no longer any use. We have seen it with loads of people, they start off not knowing shit, then they slowly gain some knowledge, then they disappear.

I for one cant remember the last time that we had a decent conversation on here. Where are the likes of Macc, Deadly, Gnome, Sharm, Tripwire, Echoi, Parson, etc these days? Answer - They dont bother posting because the standard of conversation is so basic.

The only soloution is to split the forum - One for newbies and one for the more advanced heads.

people HAVE been and WILL always be lazy. any time you spend time and effort on something, there will be ten people who just want the result and unwilling to work for it. it's not just music, every single industry is clogged with people who just want the results that are unwilling to work hard and learn - the talent will always have to wade through myriads of lazy, selfish people.

this shouldn't bother you if you are not one of these lazy people - mainly because they will never get anywhere, you will.

There's nothing wrong with the production forum:

You're just getting more irrelevant threads because the number of members is increasing.

This has nothing to do with a magical 'new breed of kid' who wants to do nothing and have it all given to him. New generations of members aren't like crops, there isn't one God crop that all the original members came from that made them 'awesome' and there isn't one shitty Chernobyl crop that produced some malfunctioning new generation of members who are all ambling around like gormless zombies moaning "DAAATTTSIIIIKKKKKKKKKKKK BAAAASSSSSSSSSSS HOOOOOOOWWWWWW??!?!??!?!!"

It's just that as the number of members increases the number of irrelevant threads and troll threads (and viable, helpful threads) will increase in proportion to that, but people notice the irrelevant and troll threads more because they're out of place then start pining for 'the good old days' - this is something that happens on literally every single forum that specializes in something.

People aren't changing, you haven't got an influx of some new 'bad' generation, the forum isn't getting worse, you're just getting more of every kind of thread and people are noticing the crap as a result of that, there's no need for change.

Solution:

If you really want to do something the answer's very simple imo, just clamp down on the rules, if that means more mods then do that, but clamp down on them, lock the troll threads and the irrelevant threads quickly. That's not really something I want to see to be honest, I think the troll threads and the rivalries and the odd the out of place 'can i datsik wobble nao' thread gives this place a bit of character, I prefer a DSF where somebody is free to make a Kaiori Breathe/Deadly Habit are stnuc thread, it's fun. But if you want this place to be more aesthetically pleasing and full of 'the intricacies of FM synthesis' threads and if you want it to LOOK more like it's not 'gone to hell' then that's all you really have to do. Of course, it won't actually have gotten any better, it'll just look better because you're more effectively shooting down the troll threads and the irrelevant threads. (Not saying you aren't doing the whole mod thing well now, just saying, it can always be done better with more mods)

This solution pwns, and makes redundant, all other solutions, including: the two tiered system people speak of and the 'gag new members for a while and stop them making new threads' solution. Which are both crazy beyond measure.

Just to make it really clear, I'm not actually advocating doing this, but taking a step back and looking at it objectively I reckon if you genuinely think there really is a problem and somehow new users all suck and the production forum is becoming a bastion of idiotic or useless threads then this is most viable solution in my eyes.

Alternative Solution:

You could all stop whining and appreciate what you've got.

Here's a list of great things on page 1 of this forum:

DSF SAMPLE PACK COMPETITION-30
WIPs/unfinished tunes for feedback * no finished tunes *
Beginner's Guide To Producing Dubstep/Dance Music
The Demo Panel.
[DJ BIBLE] Tips For Playing Out.
[DJ BIBLE] Turntables!
DSF Rap Battle VOTING NOW!!
Official* Youngsters Vs. Old Men Tune Battle
The Zero System custom giant robot MIDI controller
Skrillex, Borgore, heavily processed bass : explained!
The Logic Q&A Thread
The FL Studio Q&A Thread
Melodic Dubstep Group
Free Granular Samplepack
Buy & Sell Thread
WEDNESD4RY - live again 11/may/2011
DSF Sample Swap

All relevant to production and that's just the definitive threads that require no input from you. I haven't even listed the threads with questions and discussions going on. There's a ton of threads on page one where questions were posed and in depth answers were given with regards to mix downs, overall production value, music theory...etc

Alternative Solution II:

Perma-bans

...actually, probably better to steer clear of advocating that one; I'd be gone in a day...

The WIPs thread:

This is a bit off point but to counter some of the stuff about the WIPs thread just open it on page 36 (the last page, I just opened it to see what everyone is complaining about - turns out, as usual, they're making a deal out of nothing) and scroll down, it's moderating itself, people are giving and receiving feedback - that to me looks like it's successfully fulfilling it's purpose. The WIPs thread will work if you're not a douche-bag, if you stroll in and dump a tune there without following the rules then you aren't entitled to whine about how ineffective it is, you just make it look bad, when in reality it's a quality thread that's living up to its function and helping people out. Coincidentally, if you don't use it, then you veto the right to have any say in whether it stays or goes, imo, it seems the vast majority of people complaining about the WIPs thread are people who don't even use it (before you say 'there's a reason for that' the very last page of it, page 36 at the time of my writing this, serves as evidence of that argument not being valid).

Older members crying about threads not being interesting or helpful to them: (not naming names, please don't be offended, I'm generalizing and not specifically talking about anybody in particular)

You came here knowing nothing, you were but a seed, and older and more seasoned members at the time were making cool threads that taught you new things and you in turn learned a load of stuff. What changed? Why are there no more threads like this? Well, the reason the threads aren't 'interesting' or 'helpful' to you anymore is because you're at a point now where you're the one meant to be making 'interesting' and 'helpful' threads for new members, there comes a stage where your production gets to a point where really the rest of what you have to learn (of which there is infinite material) is learned by your own direction and experimentation. There are very few threads people could make here that will lead you to interesting new sounds, because, you're probably already quite in tune with how to make them and you should be making threads to help new members and share your knowledge.

The production forum is as informative, helpful and relevant as we ourselves make it.

That's my take on this thread.

Here's a picture of Teddy Roosevelt shooting Bigfoot:

I used to frequent a jungle board from L.A. that was run by a pretty stern moderator

if the thread was not jungle related, the thread would get locked, the poster would be warned and after excessive trolling, the I.P. addy would be banned.

I know that's a bit extreme, but maybe we can find a happy medium??

i'll start by letting you know ive learned alot for these pages more the mentality it takes to become a good producer which is invaluable knowledge. I think the forum needs new ideas for post without a doubt a post where you can come and learn something regularly. I think the hardware/what to buy needs to be removed...read the manual search google and fuck off its der and some1 else shud nt have to do your leg work. IMO the best way to learn production asides from constant experimentation which is very much a personal thing and reading or watching tutorials is to take a track and break it down piece by piece and learn how it was done. The how to make this sound thread is what i really want to c the better heads on here contribute to but for that to happen it cant be just newbie posts what they enjoy and expect responses it should be a track (all genres, the more variety the better) that the heads of the forum would be interested in collectively breaking down - instruments, music theory, processing, styles, analysis, the whole lot.

a Kaiori Breathe post after my own heart ;]

i dun think there's anything you can do to the forum. its just as valuable as its users make it. we gotta modify our own behavior.
I've learned so much here in the first few months of reading and chatting, but it gets to a definitive point of "stop chatting shit and go put it into practice".
Also, i've been feeling more and more like Dubs is a shit hole.. a lot of tunes there make it clear that their producers haven't spent any time in here.
I try to be helpful and honest and polite in feedback, and the OP rebuts my input and defends their initial work instead of taking it in stride/possibly considering re-working their music.. Then a handful of other bros drop in to stroke their ego and bigup their shitty tunes, followed closely by "FB 4 FB??. I end up confused at why people aren't hearing what I'm hearing, i think my ears are bad, my speakers are bad, i have shitty taste, maybe i go about making tunes all wrong.. Then i realize, you know what. These people are probably just younger than me, and theyre at this level right now. and its annoying. they're just posting at one another so they can receive a post in return, its not unlike watching yourself on closed-circuit tv, or having a circle jerk.

There's great producers who post tunes there but imo too much of that^.

I think what i'm saying is I'd like to work on expanding my non DSF network, out to people who are serious about their music, and interested in actually helping and learning from one another. I'd like to think i could make friends on here that last beyond this website. maybe even grow into some other website. Then we can talk about having our own website, with little website babies and a dog and a cat and..... err.........

-[2]DAY_- wrote:i've been feeling more and more like Dubs is a shit hole.. a lot of tunes there make it clear that their producers haven't spent any time in here.
I try to be helpful and honest and polite in feedback, and the OP rebuts my input and defends their initial work instead of taking it in stride/possibly considering re-working their music..

I'm starting to like the dubs section to be fair. I'm not regular enough in it to really give that big an input into it's workings or whether it's succeeding/failing etc, but any time I drop a tune in there I try and go through all the posts on the first page that have zero replies and give a bit of input, not to get anything back, just because I feel like if you're dropping a tune in there you should contribute in some way, and since I'm not regularly in it I tend to just do one large scale assault on it.

I'm probs one of the guys you're writing about though, I ignore a lot of crit in the dubs section. There's some relevant feedback that I get about levels and overall production value...etc But I will ignore pretty much anything that's said in regards to the style of the track. Like if somebody bashes my panned percussion and says "I don't like the panned percussion, i'd prefer it without it" I'll ignore it, because that's a style issue, but if somebody says 'I'd don't like the panned percussion personally but it might sound better if it's a little less busy' I'll maybe take it on board because that's more about the implementation of the style and making it more effective.

But yea, we should probs stick to the production forum before we start trying to fix the ills of all the other sections of the forum

you're definitely not, bc i'm writing about people whose tunes don't sound good. Like some bro who tossed up some bare wobbles over a kick n snare, but their snare sounds like the ghost of what was a metal trash bin being dropped on the floor seven days ago, and just echoed off the walls of a stupid bro bass that's barely in sync with the "drums".

And then they don't wanna hear it if you crit them.

Everybody has made good points. Like has been said before the forum is doing alright. Most of us don't post because it's the same stuff over and over. But if I wanted a discussion about the algorithms behind distortion I would start a thread about it.

If you want more technical discussion create a topic about it.

Although a sub forum would be nice.