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Honestly, talking about electronica like it's the death of songwriting is like yelling at bach/beethoven/wagner/vivaldi/whathaveyou for composing music...

"Oh hai composer. Why did you just have to write music. It's like the death of songwriting and rock hasn't even hit the picture yet. Gawd, you're such a loser. Why don't you join a band instead of composing music for instrumentalists?"

Honestly, from my outside view the closest parallels I can draw to electronica are between composers. You have something in your head and you craft a multi-faceted pieces based on that idea. Expect composers give their sheet music to instrumentalists and electronic artists compose and produce everything.

ridethecliche wrote:Honestly, talking about electronica like it's the death of songwriting is like yelling at bach/beethoven/wagner/vivaldi/whathaveyou for composing music...

"Oh hai composer. Why did you just have to write music. It's like the death of songwriting and rock hasn't even hit the picture yet. Gawd, you're such a loser. Why don't you join a band instead of composing music for instrumentalists?"

Honestly, from my outside view the closest parallels I can draw to electronica are between composers. You have something in your head and you craft a multi-faceted pieces based on that idea. Expect composers give their sheet music to instrumentalists and electronic artists compose and produce everything.

It is true that a lot of electronic musicians neglect songwriting though, I mean, look at a lot of modern dubstep, there's a good amount of it with the exact same structure and some of it is hardly musical at all. People have any sound they could ever want available to them, so sometimes sound takes the spotlight instead of songwriting.

Well yeah, in Electronic music it's the production that matters to me. You have a whole universe of sounds you could create/use, rather than being limited on guitar or drums or whatever. That's why I LOVE production, and that's why I stopped playing guitar after 4 years. It got boring. I'm personally more interested in creating out of this world sounds rather than focus on learning chords and shit like that.

ChadDub wrote:. I'm personally more interested in creating out of this world sounds rather than focus on learning chords and shit like that.

If only everyone agreed with this! Then we wouldn't have to listen to those pesky melodies ever again! Oh wait....

Legit. I rather hear BAYRRRRRRRR WUB WUB WYRRRR WIDDI WURRRYEEEEEE than BIP BO BEEP BODOO BOP

Only mainstream pop band for maybe a decade that have actually got any songwriting skills imo:



EDIT: By that I mean these indie guitar bands not all pop music period.

hudson wrote:

ridethecliche wrote:Honestly, talking about electronica like it's the death of songwriting is like yelling at bach/beethoven/wagner/vivaldi/whathaveyou for composing music...

"Oh hai composer. Why did you just have to write music. It's like the death of songwriting and rock hasn't even hit the picture yet. Gawd, you're such a loser. Why don't you join a band instead of composing music for instrumentalists?"

Honestly, from my outside view the closest parallels I can draw to electronica are between composers. You have something in your head and you craft a multi-faceted pieces based on that idea. Expect composers give their sheet music to instrumentalists and electronic artists compose and produce everything.

It is true that a lot of electronic musicians neglect songwriting though, I mean, look at a lot of modern dubstep, there's a good amount of it with the exact same structure and some of it is hardly musical at all. People have any sound they could ever want available to them, so sometimes sound takes the spotlight instead of songwriting.

Everything has that 'formula' that works. I guess this argument applies to every form of music from rap/hip-hop to formulaic rock to what everything in between.

The pioneers are remembered, everything else just falls to the side after a while.

I don't think this has a formula yet. Thankfully...

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:so...has nobody here heard the Katy B album? Or the new Kode 9 & Spaceape album? Or Magnetic Man?

nope, nope and nope and tbh only one seems appealing and that's kode 9

well there you go. songwriting hasn't gone anywhere, you've just stopped listening to music

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:so...has nobody here heard the Katy B album? Or the new Kode 9 & Spaceape album? Or Magnetic Man?

nope, nope and nope and tbh only one seems appealing and that's kode 9

well there you go. songwriting hasn't gone anywhere, you've just stopped listening to music

or he just managed to avoid the big bag of wank that is the magnetic man album.

there's some amazing songwriting within dubstep.

Phaeleh, Myrkur, Actraiser for example. Beautiful stuff.

if you're talking songwriting then the magnetic man album is pretty good...

RmoniK wrote:I'm just saying, Pendulum got famous with Blood Sugar around here, but no offense. That is the most famous scale in the world and there is nothing interesting about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues_scale

an hero

3za wrote:Intellectual = play all the notes at once over and over again for 7 minutes


My mind has been blown, that is truly the work of a Intellectual.

Oh, hello there serialism:



EDIT: awww, God damn, I double posted... I think that's maybe my second ever double post... I feel dirty

EDIT ii:

paravrais wrote:

Sounds like sunshine and gayness to me...

>_>

<_<

Still, I concede that it is well written.

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:so...has nobody here heard the Katy B album? Or the new Kode 9 & Spaceape album? Or Magnetic Man?

nope, nope and nope and tbh only one seems appealing and that's kode 9

well there you go. songwriting hasn't gone anywhere, you've just stopped listening to music

mope just popstep

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:so...has nobody here heard the Katy B album? Or the new Kode 9 & Spaceape album? Or Magnetic Man?

nope, nope and nope and tbh only one seems appealing and that's kode 9

well there you go. songwriting hasn't gone anywhere, you've just stopped listening to music

mope just popstep

well if you're looking for good songwriting, dismissing anything remotely poppy out of the equation doesn't make a lot of sense...especially considering Pendulum, the Prodigy, Moby, and America are all pretty poppy examples of their respective genres

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:so...has nobody here heard the Katy B album? Or the new Kode 9 & Spaceape album? Or Magnetic Man?

nope, nope and nope and tbh only one seems appealing and that's kode 9

well there you go. songwriting hasn't gone anywhere, you've just stopped listening to music

mope just popstep

well if you're looking for good songwriting, dismissing anything remotely poppy out of the equation doesn't make a lot of sense...especially considering Pendulum, the Prodigy, Moby, and America are all pretty poppy examples of their respective genres

i just don't listen to dubstep in general

well i guess you answered your own question then!

+ darkstar

why would anyone listen to dubstep for the songwriting, its dance music

well I think there's room for more DJ-oriented structures as well as traditional song structures...I'm sure we both could come up with a fair amount of examples of each

+1 for Phaeleh

Also Kai I think that's the sound they were going for

hutyluty I'd never heard that band before o.o they are epic.