Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:52 pm
whats a dubstep i thought it was called dungeon now?nowaysj wrote:Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.
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Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:48 pm
i love you dudeTurnipish Thoughts wrote:The concept of air is in itself an internal abstract, as is the idea of weight. Nothing exists, in as much as we can comprehend, external to our subjective internal entirely abstract experience of reality. Everything is one big oscillating field of energy and the fallacy is the language i have used to describe the concept is also part of the illusion. No more than an aspect of an illusion used to express another aspect of the same thing.Hurtdeer wrote:dubstep is a construct, an illusion of the collective organisation of moving air in certain specific weightsnowaysj wrote:Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.
there's never been anything original about moving air
except farting which is kind of funny
The same goes for originality, if all that exists is imagination and imagination is limitless, and if collective imagination is what we agree on as being the social construct of objective reality, (all-be-it restricted locally rather loosely by anthropological conditionality,) then imagination has free reign to reflect in upon itself and evolve there-in un-challenged by all but its own perception of self doubt. So of course, originality is never dying, not until there is no consciousness left to create its own experience.
innit. I think farts are funny too
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:40 pm
I think sometimes originality means plowing through everything that has been done before.
Then there can be a second coming !
Then there can be a second coming !
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:47 am
If you try and be original you are trapped in exactly the same way as if you try and emulate others. Try and write music that is meaningful and carries emotion, that resonates with your soul/mind/body. Hopefully this will transfer to the listener. Originality is subjective. Make music that IS you, that is the benchmark you should try and achieve. Or just stick a bitcrusher on it. I cant write peaktime shit to save my life tho, so take this with a massive grain of salt.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:15 am
stupid thread, plenty of originality if you can't find it that sucks..
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:23 am
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:23 am
I don't believe so, all the creative and original people will keep doing just that. The thing is, is that those type of people are the minority, while the average bedroom producer emulates other producers and confine themselves to strict dubstep standards and staying within the sounds they already know are popular.
I think the Koan Sound EP is a good example of taking dubstep 'outside the box'. Who cares if some elitists get mad because it isn't 140bpm, as long as it sounds good and more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
(First post, btw
) I'm here to learn how to be just like skrillex!
I think the Koan Sound EP is a good example of taking dubstep 'outside the box'. Who cares if some elitists get mad because it isn't 140bpm, as long as it sounds good and more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
(First post, btw
) I'm here to learn how to be just like skrillex!Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:10 am
tugglez wrote:I don't believe so, all the creative and original people will keep doing just that. The thing is, is that those type of people are the minority, while the average bedroom producer emulates other producers and confine themselves to strict dubstep standards and staying within the sounds they already know are popular.
I think the Koan Sound EP is a good example of taking dubstep 'outside the box'. Who cares if some elitists get mad because it isn't 140bpm, as long as it sounds good and more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
(First post, btw
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:18 am
tugglez wrote:
Koan Sound is more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
Maybe you should listen to some Ramadanman or something if you want creative and innovative music. Not just someone who has the time and effort to resample more than others.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:20 pm
Koan sound is surely one of the more innovative on the heavy side. Don't get the fuss about Ramadan at all.legend4ry wrote:tugglez wrote:
Koan Sound is more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
Maybe you should listen to some Ramadanman or something if you want creative and innovative music. Not just someone who has the time and effort to resample more than others.
I think if this 'originality' question is just about dubstep it's kind of flawed. Because it's dance music, it needs common sounds/themes, repetition etc. But Eskmo, Boxcutter, Amon Tobin, Gravity are doing some crazy interesting things with it.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:11 am
eskmo is alright. check out shlohmo. now that guy is way better than that eskmo man. not subjective either it's facttherapist wrote:Koan sound is surely one of the more innovative on the heavy side. Don't get the fuss about Ramadan at all.legend4ry wrote:tugglez wrote:
Koan Sound is more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
Maybe you should listen to some Ramadanman or something if you want creative and innovative music. Not just someone who has the time and effort to resample more than others.
I think if this 'originality' question is just about dubstep it's kind of flawed. Because it's dance music, it needs common sounds/themes, repetition etc. But Eskmo, Boxcutter, Amon Tobin, Gravity are doing some crazy interesting things with it.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:46 am
I listened to this guy. I scrap about 30 ideas everyday that he would have pursued and "produced." Not saying he doesn't have talent, but your statement is extreme.legend4ry wrote:tugglez wrote:
Koan Sound is more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
Maybe you should listen to some Ramadanman or something if you want creative and innovative music. Not just someone who has the time and effort to resample more than others.
Originality is not dying. However we do have to weed through the stuff that the more established labels would have gone through for us in the 90's. That combined with a cheaper home studio simply means that more people get a try at music.
Remember that there were few outlets to listen to until these past 13 or so years... now every outlet is plugged into our wall and can be monitored at the same time by one person.
The reason why all artists sounded so drastically different from each other in the 90s is simply that you weren't exposed to more than 30 of them at any given time.
Now my itunes has 300 or so artists with not one full album.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:05 pm
Originality is still alive and kicking... and always will...
..but for the people that feel like the playing field is too narrow, the blame lies with most of the scene. "Tastemaker" magazines/promoters/blogs/labels get a lot of shit - but fact is, people still follow them, so they are still gonna do what they do. Which usually ends up being crowning a few acts each year - and then everyone else copies them.
Don't like the way things are?
- Find a way to promote the shit out of artists you think should be getting heard instead.
- Don't try to copy the production techniques of those already saturating the scene.
- Find your voice and keep at it, no matter who is doing what.
..but for the people that feel like the playing field is too narrow, the blame lies with most of the scene. "Tastemaker" magazines/promoters/blogs/labels get a lot of shit - but fact is, people still follow them, so they are still gonna do what they do. Which usually ends up being crowning a few acts each year - and then everyone else copies them.
Don't like the way things are?
- Find a way to promote the shit out of artists you think should be getting heard instead.
- Don't try to copy the production techniques of those already saturating the scene.
- Find your voice and keep at it, no matter who is doing what.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:28 pm
I just read up on artificial scales.
Originality depends solely on how far you push yourself, and how much you can create with adaptation from theory.
Originality depends solely on how far you push yourself, and how much you can create with adaptation from theory.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:48 pm
Artificial,eh?
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:20 pm
Scales composers invented on the spot with influence from exotic and traditional scales 
Like a Major Locarian, which is a whole tone scale mixed with Hindu Melas. I think there are still many combinations out there for the picking. Get to it, Monk!
Like a Major Locarian, which is a whole tone scale mixed with Hindu Melas. I think there are still many combinations out there for the picking. Get to it, Monk!
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:09 pm
Raising only a semantic objection, matey.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:14 am
originality will never die. fact
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:27 am
I think this is a crazy thought. If you think nothing is truly original then you're listening to the wrong artists. They spring up all the time and are usually the "first" of their kind in that particular style then they disappear, probably never heard of again. If you want to be original, stop listening to any kind of music and just let the music flow from your heart, to your fingers, to your daw, into your synths, drum machines.etc. You'll create something that is original and profoundly "you". However, if you start off by saying "I wanna make a dance tune" or "I want to create a really relaxing atmospheric track", you've already lost.ChadDub wrote:Nothing is truly original anymore, you just have to put your own touch to it. The easiest way to be original is to be you. It'll probably sound very different than what's popular, and that's good, because you could be the next big thing/style.
Re: Is originality dying?
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:45 am
And thats why he is highly original because the stuff he does most of us wouldn't pursue and he makes it work magnificentlyVolento wrote:I listened to this guy. I scrap about 30 ideas everyday that he would have pursued and "produced." Not saying he doesn't have talent, but your statement is extreme.legend4ry wrote:tugglez wrote:
Koan Sound is more original then cookie cutter dubstep everyone else is doing.
Maybe you should listen to some Ramadanman or something if you want creative and innovative music. Not just someone who has the time and effort to resample more than others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xhiq0_rWRE <- is a great example.