why he's looking scared with one foot on the bottom rung of a step ladder at 1.32 is beyond me...
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:02 am
by fractal
Luke Yeah? wrote:
matthewcradduck wrote:I didn't even know she was #1 till i read this.
This.
The mainstream only accounts for a small percentage of all music produced. Just a case of shifting past it and finding what you like
Exactly. The only place I have ever heard of this girl is the snh
Seems to have quite the following here!
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:10 am
by Mr Hyde
These type of pop stars usually only have a year or so in the spotlight. If you get on telly with millions watching on x factor then a big record company backs you: spends loads on a video, newspapers show pictures of you in your pants, commercial radio plays your tunes, go on t4 and loads of other interviews, sell the single cheap etc etc etc then it isnt really that surprising it'll get to number one- would probably be seen as a failure and loss maker if it wasn't top 5.
She'll have less ££ and less of a career than an artist that has a small but loyal following.
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:38 am
by LA_Boxers
Next.....................we riot!
I think a Cher Lloyd open air concert in Tottenham is just what everybody wants!
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:28 pm
by therapist
I finally listened to this song, I can't be bothered to even try and put my emotions into words, you all know how awful it is. But this made me laugh, anyone here responsible?
There's always been fluffy crap in the charts, but in the 60s up to the early 90s, the music indistry would unearth (and the general public had the taste and attention span to appreciate) artists with some kind of musical vision and genuine talent - you had a lot of people from all walks of life performing material they'd written and performed themselves and got themselves public exposure through passion and hard work.
I'd say that ethos disappeared somewhere in the mid-90s and we've had 15 years of the biggest-selling stuff mostly being written by people other than the performers, created simply as a product - music industry execs have looked at people who buy the most music and those who can be most easily influenced by marketing campaigns and created music to sell to that demographic.
There's a lot more to be said about this, but many people have said it before and better than I, and it's also time for me to leave work...
I stopped paying attention to the charts about 15 years ago. I have a theory that 1997 was the last year of 'good' music in the charts.
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:18 pm
by scattybeanhead
therapist wrote:I finally listened to this song, I can't be bothered to even try and put my emotions into words, you all know how awful it is. But this made me laugh, anyone here responsible?
"A word used to describe the act of a prostitute receiving triple penetration during group sex. Common phrase used in Gypsy/Traveler culture.
Swagger jagger, swagger jagger
You should get some of your own
Count that money, get your game on
Get your game on, get ya, get ya, game on"
Read that in Brad Pitt's voice in Snatch.
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:11 pm
by mrdii
I doubt she'll make too much money, for those who care - and want her to flop.
The thing is she's very young, unintelligent and got her deal from the X-factor, basically meaning it will be terrible. So for her to make any kind of enviable money (I'm talking £1 million say), she'll have to sell millions.
And as you say, she'll be out of a deal within 3 years, meaning Celebrity big brother is calling. As well, it's worth mentioning she seems a genuinely horrible person - so that should go against her.
As for mainstream music, I have fully given up on it. Occasionally something good scratches the surface but it lost all dignity about 30 years ago or so. As much as anything, charting is just as much about having a visual product rather than a musical one which is quite extraordinary when you think about it.
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:17 pm
by say_whut
Nero - Promises is number 1 on itunes... that chart does often closely reflect what the weekend chart looks like.
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:34 pm
by bigfootspartan
.onelove. wrote:What actually is the Top 40 music buying demographic? It's gotta be predominately female judging by how the top 10, with maybe the Louder track being fueled by pubescent lads jumping on the Dubstep fad. Has piracy demolished sales as much as record sales have people believe or are numbers similar to what they were a decade ago?
Pop music was decent enough when I was growing up, in the heat of the Garage wave + the likes of the The Chronic and the Slim Shady LP.
I used to always think the Top40 crowd was this trashy group of Americans/Canadians who bought the cool stuff because advertising said it was cool, and because the radio said the tunes are cool. But in the end I realized this is incredibly naive, it seems like Top40 is loved by pretty much every social class/income class under 40 over here. Sure some of them prefer country to Britney Spears, but I the end Taylor Swift is just as Top40 as anyone else, even if she does call herself country.
Honestly I think it's just because it's accessible. You turn on the radio and there it is. Can't say the same about something like Seven, Instra:mental or Kahn.
People who care look deeper than what's easily accessible and try to find 'the underground', but some people just don't give a shit, for them the effort to find different tunes isn't worth the pleasure it brings later, and that's all good, different things gets different people going, I'm not going to judge someone because I prefer to spend some time looking for fresh new tunes while they spend their time with something else.
After Cher Lloyd ere'll be another pop star, and another, and another. It might sound cynical but I've given up on trying to argue with the mainstream. It's there because it packages easy to digest stuff for people who don't give a shit, and that'll never really change. as long as they can make a quick buck and people continue to not care, it'll have it's own niche. A giant niche but it fills what people want.
Although I do agree, my memories of 90's pop are much fonder than the stuff on the radio now.
Re: With Cher Lloyd at #1...What happens next?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:45 pm
by gorillabearbear
bigfootspartan wrote:[
I used to always think the Top40 crowd was this trashy group of Americans/Canadians who bought the cool stuff because advertising said it was cool, and because the radio said the tunes are cool. But in the end I realized this is incredibly naive, it seems like Top40 is loved by pretty much every social class/income class under 40 over here. Sure some of them prefer country to Britney Spears, but I the end Taylor Swift is just as Top40 as anyone else, even if she does call herself country.
Honestly I think it's just because it's accessible. You turn on the radio and there it is. Can't say the same about something like Seven, Instra:mental or Kahn.
That's the same thing, isn't it? OK, so it's a kinder view of the people who are actually buying it, and it's one I agree with as well, but it essentially boils down to record companies spending most money on pushing a certain thing into the places where people who aren't necessarily that bothered about it are going. It's a fairer view of the general public, less condescending, but it doesn't lessen the industry's culpability for producing a massive industry around artistic bankruptcy.
The music industry reminds me of my friends who play poker, just a numbers game.
