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laurend wrote:You should post here the original file, your Elephant processed file and the MaximalSound free preview.

Will try to put it up before I forget.
Cheers.

The Online Version

http://soundcloud.com/rt60/masteringonlinetester


Elephant

http://soundcloud.com/rt60/rt60-mastering-test-elephant

It was pretty fun doing the A-B on this one. I used my Rokit 8s and a pair of Seinhieser HD600 to do the comparisons. I did not use any other plugins on master except Elephant. The 2 files are in fact very different if your ears are tuned well enough to hear the minor subtleties. I will make both available for dl for a little while for those of you who are interested. In the end I do think I ended up liking the MaximalSound version better. It was more noticeable on the sections that have a greater dynamic range and less while everything is going full throttle. It just kinda sucks cuz the clip I got back only had a very short section of the drop so it makes it difficult to get into the listening groove.

Keep in mind that the track i used is by no means finished and it is just a rough mixdown but all of the beefy elements are in there.

Haven't had a proper look but do you handle orders in USD?

RT60 wrote:The Online Version

http://soundcloud.com/rt60/masteringonlinetester


Elephant

http://soundcloud.com/rt60/rt60-mastering-test-elephant

It was pretty fun doing the A-B on this one. I used my Rokit 8s and a pair of Seinhieser HD600 to do the comparisons. I did not use any other plugins on master except Elephant. The 2 files are in fact very different if your ears are tuned well enough to hear the minor subtleties. I will make both available for dl for a little while for those of you who are interested. In the end I do think I ended up liking the MaximalSound version better. It was more noticeable on the sections that have a greater dynamic range and less while everything is going full throttle. It just kinda sucks cuz the clip I got back only had a very short section of the drop so it makes it difficult to get into the listening groove.

Keep in mind that the track i used is by no means finished and it is just a rough mixdown but all of the beefy elements are in there.

this is very interesting seeing as its very easy to tell the difference between the two different masters. (listened out of laptop speakers, a7s, agk702s and some sansui 4-ways)

Again, whenever these services pop-up I am more interested in talking about techniques as oppose to just reading what is basically self-promotion. OP, think you've already promoted yourself, why not talk a bit more about what you are doing. Try not to hide anything, in reality nothing you are doing is really a secret, for the sake of discussion, and our ears maybe educate some of the people here? Not only that but there are some of us here that have quite a wealth of knowledge that you could probably benefit from as well, this is a forum after all and meant for informative discussion.




I personally rarely come on anymore, but it would be nice to shift this to a place of more interesting discussion again... I dunno my 2 cents.

collective wrote:

RT60 wrote:The Online Version

http://soundcloud.com/rt60/masteringonlinetester


Elephant

http://soundcloud.com/rt60/rt60-mastering-test-elephant

It was pretty fun doing the A-B on this one. I used my Rokit 8s and a pair of Seinhieser HD600 to do the comparisons. I did not use any other plugins on master except Elephant. The 2 files are in fact very different if your ears are tuned well enough to hear the minor subtleties. I will make both available for dl for a little while for those of you who are interested. In the end I do think I ended up liking the MaximalSound version better. It was more noticeable on the sections that have a greater dynamic range and less while everything is going full throttle. It just kinda sucks cuz the clip I got back only had a very short section of the drop so it makes it difficult to get into the listening groove.

Keep in mind that the track i used is by no means finished and it is just a rough mixdown but all of the beefy elements are in there.

this is very interesting seeing as its very easy to tell the difference between the two different masters. (listened out of laptop speakers, a7s, agk702s and some sansui 4-ways)

Again, whenever these services pop-up I am more interested in talking about techniques as oppose to just reading what is basically self-promotion. OP, think you've already promoted yourself, why not talk a bit more about what you are doing. Try not to hide anything, in reality nothing you are doing is really a secret, for the sake of discussion, and our ears maybe educate some of the people here? Not only that but there are some of us here that have quite a wealth of knowledge that you could probably benefit from as well, this is a forum after all and meant for informative discussion.




I personally rarely come on anymore, but it would be nice to shift this to a place of more interesting discussion again... I dunno my 2 cents.

I agree that they sound different and I think the MaximalSound one does sound a bit better. But its not like earth shatteringly noticeable to me. What was you overall perception of the differences? i notices that the Maximal Sound one was way punchier on the kick and snare (i am not sure if I like that though) and a little clearer in the highs maybe?, maybe a bit more saturated... Its also my tune so i'm not really on the outside looking in.

its generally a little tighter. its was fairly obvious on my A7s and AKGs but on the laptop speakers it was EXTREMELY apparent. Reason it was so apparent probably comes from the taming of the low end dynamics. Would account for you what you describe as a more punchy kick.

So would you say that a little multiband compression on the lower ranges might have the same effect?

wait wait. Just to be sure, You did download the wav files to do your A B and not just out of soundcloud right??

it might be a dumb question but I only ask because my soundcloud page is not showing any dls.

ehbrums1 wrote:Haven't had a proper look but do you handle orders in USD?

Euro is currently very low. That's your banker's job to allow payment in Euro.

@ RT60

The links to the test files seem broken.

RT60 wrote:So would you say that a little multiband compression on the lower ranges might have the same effect?

wait wait. Just to be sure, You did download the wav files to do your A B and not just out of soundcloud right??

it might be a dumb question but I only ask because my soundcloud page is not showing any dls.

Yeah multiband compression will do exactly that, I guess his "de-expander" or whatever he called it, essentially does the same thing. I just listened to them on soundcloud, if the difference is apparent when its transcoded to a 128k stream then you can imagine how much a difference will be noticed when its a lossless file.


If you want I can listen again, but yeah the links are broken.

De-expander:
A de-expander can also be called reverse-expander. A de-expander amplifies the signal below a threshold in contrast to an expander which attenuates the signal below this threshold. This choice is fundamentally different than techniques related to compression. The signal is amplified when it is weak and not planed when it becomes too high (above threshold). The difference may seem subtle, but it is significant when the attack time of treatment is taken into account . A compressor will act always too late (attack time) on the peak values, forcing the limiter to affect the transients which are so valuable to the perception of stereo space. The de-expander just amplifies the signal after the attack time, avoiding any unnecessary limiting.

laurend wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:Haven't had a proper look but do you handle orders in USD?

Euro is currently very low. That's your banker's job to allow payment in Euro.

no its your job to accept payment in USD. US banks don't deal in EUROs...

collective wrote:

laurend wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:Haven't had a proper look but do you handle orders in USD?

Euro is currently very low. That's your banker's job to allow payment in Euro.

no its your job to accept payment in USD. US banks don't deal in EUROs...

Don't know for american payment cards, but i can use mine on PayPal to buy things priced in dollar. Did you even tried? I have a lot of US based clients which have no problem for payment.

laurend wrote:

collective wrote:

laurend wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:Haven't had a proper look but do you handle orders in USD?

Euro is currently very low. That's your banker's job to allow payment in Euro.

no its your job to accept payment in USD. US banks don't deal in EUROs...

Don't know for american payment cards, but i can use mine on PayPal to buy things priced in dollar. Did you even tried? I have a lot of US based clients which have no problem for payment.

I am not trying to use your service, I was speaking on behalf of the kid who is trying to pay you for your service. If it were me instead of arguing I would try and resolve the issue with the customer.

Maybe he does not have paypal?

I have no issue with clients using a payment card from the US. In Europe payment cards aren't for kids. If you can use PayPal, you can use my service.

laurend wrote: In Europe payment cards aren't for kids. If you can use PayPal, than you can use my service.

You sound like a childish bitch. Was just trying to help you not sound like a prick to customers.

its called maxxvolume and its made by Waves ;p

Christ you need to calm the fuck down all i asked was a fucking question. And yes i have debit card and yes i have a fucking paypal..maybe if you weren't such a stuck up prick about you and your fancy shmancy mastering and what-the-fuck-not then you could attract a fucking customer.

And to response to your well did you try it Ive had many american customers blah blah blah
READ THE FUCKING QUESTION

Haven't had a proper look but do you handle orders in USD?

And before you say well you should have looked closely...No you should have just given a straight forward answer the FIRST FUCKING TIME.

/rant over

ehbrums1 wrote:Christ you need to calm the fuck down all i asked was a fucking question. And yes i have debit card and yes i have a fucking paypal..maybe if you weren't such a stuck up prick about you and your fancy shmancy mastering and what-the-fuck-not then you could attract a fucking customer.

And to response to your well did you try it Ive had many american customers blah blah blah
READ THE FUCKING QUESTION

Haven't had a proper look but do you handle orders in USD?

And before you say well you should have looked closely...No you should have just given a straight forward answer the FIRST FUCKING TIME.

/rant over

For someone with that avatar you should learn to be a bit calmer yourself it would seem.