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I sometimes don't get why skrillex uses dog barking sounds in his songs. Wouldn't that shit hurt being played live at loud volumes? just my opinion and I really don't think skirllex is the filthiest. I don't wanna get into filth wars or whatever the fuck but there are so many people out there that can make nicer and crazier music imo

Farrk that. I don't have a long enough attention span to get in to technological buggery tbh. I litterally rush all my tunes tbh. Just to get the structure out. Then once I'm musically happy with it, I'll come back after a few days for the techy shit, that's if I ever go back for it...

I completely agree that there's plenty of producers out there putting out "brostep" just to make really "big" tunes with huge sounds focusing on how "grimey" they can be. But in my eyes there can be a happy medium. Feed me for example (imo), comes out with some stuff that's really dirty, yet at the same time very melodic and complex. He's got the best of both worlds down, focusing on the musical aspect as well as the sound design.

ChadDub wrote:I never felt the whole filth thing, I just always thought that that was just some crazy ass sound. I was never like OMG THAT IS SO DIRTY OMG NEED TO SHOWER EWWWW DAYUM SON OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!

duude, lemme tell you, going to renegade forest raves like 2.5 years ago, man what a time... back then the notion of "filth" was not widespread on the west coast, and we would search for that sound, and when we found it, it was like drinking from the holy grail... and i felt like a slug was crawling through my brain spreading it's gunk everywhere, and when I just gave into it and wallowed in the slime, it was so glorious.... maybe it was just all the L i was eating tho

i did need a shower afterwards tho, because getting down that crazy on a dusty dance floor sure made us dirty. maybe that's where the notion originally came from
of course now "filth" is is in every youtube comment.. i can really take it or leave it at this point

back in the good ol days. lol. i realize exactly how i sound.

I remember the days before I started browsing here and never really noticed a difference in dubstep. I mean I liked all kinds of it, and I didn't care if certain producers focused on certain bands of frequency.

Ah those days of ignorant bliss

On a brostep music/filth balance ratio, I'mma return to my guy skrillex, his new EP, at least the original tracks on it, are pretty good examples of a good balance of filth and melodic sections. Just listen to the intros on stuff like First of the Year (Equinox) and either version of Ruffneck, switch at the drops if you must, but you cannot deny, the man knows how to compose a melody!

Music is nothing without emotion, and most of brostep has none.

FluidMoShun wrote:Music is nothing without emotion, and most of brostep has none.

? That's a pretty stupid thing to say?

Euphoria? Anger?

Not all music needs to be moody as fuck to convey some sort of emotion

^cosign, the hardass stuff can have lots of emotion...

coki's music i find is amongst the most "free of aesthetic constrains" in dubstep... and the most emotional, and its so dissonant some people simply can't stand it.

Ldizzy wrote:^cosign, the hardass stuff can have lots of emotion...

coki's music i find is amongst the most "free of aesthetic constrains" in dubstep... and the most emotional, and its so dissonant some people simply can't stand it.

It's not about hardness or softness, the fact is a lot of producers now aren't making songs. Theyre programming a bunch of random noise over a kick snare loop. Changing a LFO rate every 2 seconds, frog noise, dragon scream, new filter, etc and even that could be musical if the pattern at least repeated, or they used more than one note. This is where I'm coming from. I mean you can do this, but it's not musical. It's not EDM. It's just E. It's because the guy spent 2 weeks designing raptor shreiks and forgot to write a TUNE

All I can say is thank god for James Blake, M Kimbie, Rusko (yes Rusko), Emika, Hoflush, Hemlock, Get Darker, Electronic Explorations Podcast and Hyperdub because otherwise this scene would be dead already. I know I wouldn't be here. I came for Bass, Pace, Space. Couple years later Transformers are screaming bloody murder every release.

/ rant.

Same thing happened with DnB, the whole techy roller thing, when sound design of farty basses and getting THAT PERFECT SNARE replaced interesting ideas and songwriting as the producers weapon of choice.

wub wrote:Same thing happened with DnB, the whole techy roller thing, when sound design of farty basses and getting THAT PERFECT SNARE replaced interesting ideas and songwriting as the producers weapon of choice.

Yes!!! Yes. Yes!! This is exactly why I left DnB and DOA and fell in love with dubstep in the 1st place. Yet it's happening again.

Remember the whole “200 hz snares" trend in DnB? Everyone was obsessed with SNARE DESIGN

ketamine wrote:

wub wrote:Same thing happened with DnB, the whole techy roller thing, when sound design of farty basses and getting THAT PERFECT SNARE replaced interesting ideas and songwriting as the producers weapon of choice.

Yes!!! Yes. Yes!! This is exactly why I left DnB and DOA and fell in love with dubstep in the 1st place. Yet it's happening again.

Remember the whole "200 hz snares" trend in DnB? Everyone was obsessed with SNARE DESIGN

I remember doing an interview with Marcus Intalex a few years back when I asked him about the state of DnB (as you do when interviewing big names in any scene )

Marcus Intalex Interview wrote:Q) What changes have been most noticeable during your long tenure within the drum & bass scene?

1.Originally it started to get faster over 50 bpm faster from the early nineties to the mid nineties .

2. It doesn’t get faster anymore(thank Fuck)

3. It used to be very innovative and ground breaking

4. It no longer is that innovative and ground breaking apart from a few select artists

5. It used to be about beats and basslines

6. Its now more about horrendous riffs and ugly bass noises and seeing how many ideas u can actually fit into one tune.

7. It used to be brilliant.

8. Some of it still is brilliant but so much of it is fuckin shit.

Jacob15728 wrote:

ChadDub wrote:Yeah pretty much. Not very winning since we all know Skrillex has the filthiest sound. Once Skrillex popped up with Scary Monsters, there's really no point in focusing on filth anymore. He has it.

I take it you've never heard Shekel, Bratkilla, Tomba, Chrispy, etc.

did you say chrispy? hahaha isnt he the guy that has tunes that only exist on youtube? and does remixes of pop tunes, and has really badly mixed tunes, and doesnt have any sub bass, and generally just has some nasty sounds that are actually quite clean?

skimpi wrote:

Jacob15728 wrote:

ChadDub wrote:Yeah pretty much. Not very winning since we all know Skrillex has the filthiest sound. Once Skrillex popped up with Scary Monsters, there's really no point in focusing on filth anymore. He has it.

I take it you've never heard Shekel, Bratkilla, Tomba, Chrispy, etc.

did you say chrispy? hahaha isnt he the guy that has tunes that only exist on youtube? and does remixes of pop tunes, and has really badly mixed tunes, and doesnt have any sub bass, and generally just has some nasty sounds that are actually quite clean?

And Bratkilla?




Really don't see any merits in that kind of production whatsoever.

Is it not interesting?

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In some aspects sound design can be really important. In others - not so much. Depends on how you work, what you find interesting and so on. In the end you are making your own music.

Badklaat is filth. Skrillex is noise. The only skrillex tune I like is Reptile, and even then I spent the whole song praying he wouldnt ruin it by adding pointless screeching noises.

so wait, is this another "let's discuss which brostep sucks and which doesn't" thread now?

Cheeky wrote:Badklaat is filth. Skrillex is noise. The only skrillex tune I like is Reptile, and even then I spent the whole song praying he wouldnt ruin it by adding pointless screeching noises.

Badklaat isn't flith mate. And Reptile is skrillex's worst tuneever

hasezwei wrote:so wait, is this another "let's discuss which brostep sucks and which doesn't" thread now?

Yh.. lil bit

amphibian wrote:I dunno about you, but at the end of the day I make love.

i dunno what the proper term is anymore, but i reckon Badklaat makes some of my favorite, filthiest tearout dubstep.
Its the type of tunes that are so good you can go ahead and call it dubstep without feeling wrong about it