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has it got anymore expensive to cut dubs? cos producers could afford to in 03-05, why cant they now? seems to be a well used excuse.

Eplo wrote:has it got anymore expensive to cut dubs? cos producers could afford to in 03-05, why cant they now? seems to be a well used excuse.

it has got a lot more expensive yes

oh, fair play then.
ha.

you need a really good scene to pull off a vinyl only night well and economically cos its only really people that have been into the music for time that its gonna be a selling point for i think, which is sad in a way cos thats the roots of the scene, but thats life innit. i play vinyl but also use digital and a vinyl only set is a good excuse to do some digging. also i think you have to be a tighter DJ to play a decent vinyl only set. no help whatsoever.

Eplo wrote:has it got anymore expensive to cut dubs? cos producers could afford to in 03-05, why cant they now? seems to be a well used excuse.

it's £30 for a 10" and £50 for a 12" where I went, hence why I've only ever cut one plate, it was really worth it though, to me it felt like the final product of the song,

I reckon a vinyl only night would be a really good idea,
For me, when I seee a producer mixing with vinyl, it feels a lot more personal with the music, getting hands on with it ;P

triggy wrote:

Eplo wrote: For me, when I seee a producer mixing with vinyl, it feels a lot more personal with the music, getting hands on with it ;P

Fair point. I think it really feels like you're there with that DJ, in their room, listening to them play tunes the way they learnt in the first place. A DJ smashing a set on vinyl is equally rewarding from both sides of the stage I think.

exfox wrote:

wub wrote:Music > Medium

Only so called Disk Jocks who don't spin Vinyl would think this.

Soiree wrote:

exfox wrote:

wub wrote:Music > Medium

Only so called Disk Jocks who don't spin Vinyl would think this.

IMHO good music is good music; the format it is presented on is largely inconsequential. There are amazing tracks that don't exist outside of a digital format, and there are some terrible tracks that have been committed to vinyl.

Music is indeed greater than the medium

However, spinning records is an art form
Takes considerable honing of the craft
Some can appreciate that
The majority may not care, but controllers and programs(which i see alot of) can be like watching a band play their live set via guitar hero.

Those that convert to cdjs know that they treasure the feel of vinyl
Its an intrinsic thing

Convenience > everything

Nicely put.

uphigh wrote:Music is indeed greater than the medium

However, spinning records is an art form
Takes considerable honing of the craft
Some can appreciate that
The majority may not care, but controllers and programs(which i see alot of) can be like watching a band play their live set via guitar hero.

Those that convert to cdjs know that they treasure the feel of vinyl
Its an intrinsic thing

Convenience > everything

sd5?

uphigh wrote:Music is indeed greater than the medium

However, spinning records is an art form
Takes considerable honing of the craft
Some can appreciate that
The majority may not care, but controllers and programs(which i see alot of) can be like watching a band play their live set via guitar hero.

Those that convert to cdjs know that they treasure the feel of vinyl
Its an intrinsic thing

Convenience > everything

Sums it up really.

Lots of people seem to miss the point that DJing with CDJs or Serato can be just as tecnically skilled as DJing with vinyl, if not more so if done well (loops, fx etc).....it can also be an easy excuse for a crap DJ to let the software beatmatch, but beatmatching is pretty much the first thing to learn when DJing- its not really that difficult or a sign of a really good DJ that they can beatmatch.

CDJs or Serato arent going to tell you when to use the EQ, what bar to fade in/out, how long to hold the mix, how to cut and scratch etc. and most importantly they can't tell you what to play and when.

there are a few vinyl only D&B nights in the UK, correct?
But then again dubstep is a newer genre and vinyl isn't as rooted in the tradition of it...
For the record DJ Marky uses Serato now. He is an international DJ though so gotta be a pain lugging vinyls everywhere. One of the best sets I've ever seen though was a 3-hour all vinyl set he did some years ago.
Didn't think Andy C had made the switch to digital? I haven't seen him for a while though unfortunately.

One advantage of vinyl only sets is that people with amazing collections can get to show them off. See DJ Format play and you'll know what I mean, he's spent his life amassing that collection and it is really is his pride and joy. But again, with dubstep it's quite new and mostly about who has the newest tunes, so only a handful of people are going to be impressed if you pull out DMZ001 or something.

rorz9992 wrote: But then again dubstep is a newer genre and vinyl isn't as rooted in the tradition of it...

Not sure about that.

garethom wrote:

rorz9992 wrote: But then again dubstep is a newer genre and vinyl isn't as rooted in the tradition of it...

Not sure about that.

Probably one of the most fundamental roots

You won't see vinyl at a brostep night...

charliefoy wrote:

garethom wrote:

rorz9992 wrote: But then again dubstep is a newer genre and vinyl isn't as rooted in the tradition of it...

Not sure about that.

Probably one of the most fundamental roots

Ye this is true. I agree with most of the points on both side of the argument having played on vinyl but mostly now using serato. I still collect vinyl & love the sound. This whole thing about it sounding better on vinyl is pretty stupid though IMO. I understand liking the crackle on a record once its been battered on thinking when you can hear it that its gonna be a massive tune if someone is still willing to play it even with that damage to the plate. 1 last thing I bet that if someone played you a WAV on a CDJ or a brand spanking new dub you woudnt hear the difference...

defoxster wrote:

charliefoy wrote:

garethom wrote:

rorz9992 wrote: But then again dubstep is a newer genre and vinyl isn't as rooted in the tradition of it...

Not sure about that.

Probably one of the most fundamental roots

Ye this is true. I agree with most of the points on both side of the argument having played on vinyl but mostly now using serato. I still collect vinyl & love the sound. This whole thing about it sounding better on vinyl is pretty stupid though IMO. I understand liking the crackle on a record once its been battered on thinking when you can hear it that its gonna be a massive tune if someone is still willing to play it even with that damage to the plate. 1 last thing I bet that if someone played you a WAV on a CDJ or a brand spanking new dub you woudnt hear the difference...

mate you're so wrong on that one

i had a residency that was weekly playing through a 20k rig for 18 months and you really can tell the difference...listen to distance - malice off wax through a big system and it will slay a wav on cd....you know you can export tunes from ableton at higher than a regular wav dont you btw? my tunes are all burnt as 24 bit 48khz wavs...i cant afford to cut dubs but im certain theyd sound way better than my 24bit wavefiles..

I used to have many people down to play with me and many people commented it was clear when someone was using cds..it just sounded a bit flat and lacking in warmth, body, depth....brightness...everything! why do you think mala was so obsessed with keeping dmz vinyl only for as long as he could?

granted 'some' people wouldnt notice the difference but any producer worth their salt would....look at dillinja and his approach back in the 94-96 days to vinyl mastering....his track 'deadly deep subs' was such a lethal cut with so much power and weight behind it that it blew many club soundsystems to the point where they even said to djs they couldnt play it....that track on vinyl with his mental approach to sub and power was responsible for clubs updating their soundsystems to the standard we have today..to be able to handle massive resolution and depth.....maybe dance music would have taken a less bass obsessed turn had vinyl not been the main format in thos days and the cds would have not called for it...im pretty certain the format played a huge part in dillinja realising his vision....in fact my copy of 'acid trak' first pressing split with lemon d on the flip is fucking dangerous too and has blown when played...my old hi-fi i had at home & my mates sub in his back garden during a dj set...the version on his cd greatest hits sounds totally lame by comparison and is almost a different song due to the format and mastering approach (the format calls for better mastering)

Vinyl is still the premium format

I have more respect for a vinyl dj, but i don't really care tbh, all about the tunes