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test recordings wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Don't all hormones we pee out get into the water?

The water purification system was never designed to filter out hormones so all the synthetic oestrogen and progesterone in The Pill keep going round and round (they also hemaphrodise fish which we then eat)... same for plastics, they release xeno-oestrogen which is more powerful than normal, biologically orginating oestrogen and are probably a prime cause of cancer but are not filtered.

There's also a fuck load of drugs in there!

...Yes but.. either way... we still pee out hormones regardless of whether or not someone's on birth control.

Genevieve wrote:

test recordings wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Don't all hormones we pee out get into the water?

The water purification system was never designed to filter out hormones so all the synthetic oestrogen and progesterone in The Pill keep going round and round (they also hemaphrodise fish which we then eat)... same for plastics, they release xeno-oestrogen which is more powerful than normal, biologically orginating oestrogen and are probably a prime cause of cancer but are not filtered.

There's also a fuck load of drugs in there!

...Yes but.. either way... we still pee out hormones regardless of whether or not someone's on birth control.

I think the point is that the more powerful man-made hormones aren't part of the natural cycle of things and so when introduced to the eco-system can start to fuck with it.

test recordings wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Don't all hormones we pee out get into the water?

The water purification system was never designed to filter out hormones so all the synthetic oestrogen and progesterone in The Pill keep going round and round (they also hemaphrodise fish which we then eat)... same for plastics, they release xeno-oestrogen which is more powerful than normal, biologically orginating oestrogen and are probably a prime cause of cancer but are not filtered.

There's also a fuck load of drugs in there!

What the heck is xeno-oestrogen???

I can definitly taste the difference between some tap and bottled. Evian tastes awful to me. The tapwater at my house is drinkable but I prefer most bottled water over it. Most of the time tap water doesnt bother me though. At my work (I work in a high end restaurant) we have tap water and then water that's been filtered in house. I once had a guest who apparently worked at a water treatment plant and could immediately tell that the water he was given was straight out of the tap (and he complained about it too, because we're not supposed to serve guests water straight from the tap) and not filtered.

cmgoodman1226 wrote:I can definitly taste the difference between some tap and bottled. Evian tastes awful to me. The tapwater at my house is drinkable but I prefer most bottled water over it. Most of the time tap water doesnt bother me though. At my work (I work in a high end restaurant) we have tap water and then water that's been filtered in house. I once had a guest who apparently worked at a water treatment plant and could immediately tell that the water he was given was straight out of the tap (and he complained about it too, because we're not supposed to serve guests water straight from the tap) and not filtered.

well of course some water is gonna taste different than other water because of differing mineral content... it's not like it's better or worse though. you're just used to a certain taste.

Phigure wrote:

cmgoodman1226 wrote:I can definitly taste the difference between some tap and bottled. Evian tastes awful to me. The tapwater at my house is drinkable but I prefer most bottled water over it. Most of the time tap water doesnt bother me though. At my work (I work in a high end restaurant) we have tap water and then water that's been filtered in house. I once had a guest who apparently worked at a water treatment plant and could immediately tell that the water he was given was straight out of the tap (and he complained about it too, because we're not supposed to serve guests water straight from the tap) and not filtered.

well of course some water is gonna taste different than other water because of differing mineral content... it's not like it's better or worse though. you're just used to a certain taste.

Oh yeah. Sorry to be confusing; I wasn't talking about health or quality, just taste. There's just something about the water particularly at my house that just tastes a bit off, but I don't believe bottled water is much cleaner than it.

wilson wrote: the more powerful man-made hormones

so what are your examples of "more powerful man-made hormones"? as far as I know, all non-bioidentical exogenous chemicals that have hormone-like effects would be reduced to trace detection by even the most basic filtration techniques. am i missing something?

knell wrote:

wilson wrote: the more powerful man-made hormones

so what are your examples of "more powerful man-made hormones"? as far as I know, all non-bioidentical exogenous chemicals that have hormone-like effects would be reduced to trace detection by even the most basic filtration techniques. am i missing something?

Not when they accumulate in organisms... the statement repeatedly used to justifiy their acute lack of toxicity ignores the fact that they are not excreted easily or break down naturally (plastic stays plastic for 1,000s of years, even if it 'disappears' it is still present but just in a more dispersed form, which is arguably worse than having a single item to deal with).

Here's a little article with references to research on what xenoestrogen can do and where it comes from: http://undergroundhealthreporter.com/xe ... ter-health.

That's what all the furore is over BPA in oil-based plastic: it mimics oestrogen but is a lot stronger so increases the risk of certain cancers and fucks up humans' endocrine system.

Here's some more research on the effects of synthetic hormones on humans and animals in the wild: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2908297.html

kay wrote:What the heck is xeno-oestrogen???

Sorry I misspelt it... I meant xenoestrogen. It means oestrogen from originates from outside the human body as well as any other living organism.