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Me and the rest of the Jewish council would like to say:

"Inb4lock"

Amin

Isn't it written in the bible how big jesus was? Wasn't he 1m 40 or something? (heard this from some1 else and yes i believe him) Which was a normal size back then, right? But we're all taller now.
So there you have it, evolution in the bible.

Honestly though, if you want to believe in all that, go right ahead. No1 is gonna stop you. I just personally really can't understand why people would want to believe in all that nonsense
Nothing is going to fucking happen when you're dead. And do you know why? Because you'll be fuckin dead.
But if you want to believe that you go to heaven when you die, be my guest. Have fun with all your dead relatives.

i might not believe in a reincarnated consciousness, as it were, but our energy definitely reincarnates back into this planet.. were all just star dust and energy, trapped on a spinning ball until it too explodes one day. amen brother

On a serious note however,

I believe that Creationism and Evolution co-exist in this universe, I'm sure the Bible had some true references, however there seems to be a lot of things in there that contradict one book from the next.

Also the million translations and revisions have surely skewed what was originally wrote.

For example, i'm sure you have heard the argument of:

"Well, the Bible never said their was dinosaurs, but we have proof to show they existed."

Yet if you look at certain revisions, you would notice that in the book of Genesis, it states that "Animals" roamed the earth, then another revision will say "Beasts" roamed the earth.

The word "Beast" can apply to a much broader selection of species than "Animals."

vishes wrote:Isn't it written in the bible how big jesus was? Wasn't he 1m 40 or something? (heard this from some1 else and yes i believe him) Which was a normal size back then, right? But we're all taller now.
So there you have it, evolution in the bible.

Honestly though, if you want to believe in all that, go right ahead. No1 is gonna stop you. I just personally really can't understand why people would want to believe in all that nonsense
Nothing is going to fucking happen when you're dead. And do you know why? Because you'll be fuckin dead.
But if you want to believe that you go to heaven when you die, be my guest. Have fun with all your dead relatives.

There are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the bible.

The bible agrees with you--when you die, you just die.

Ecclesiastes 9
5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all...
10All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She´ol, the place to which you are going.

The teachings of the Church are not the teachings of the Bible.

ketamine wrote: The teachings of the Church are not the teachings of the Bible.

i'll agree with you there. the differences in the greek txt vs the king james txt are pretty astounding as well

fractal wrote:i might not believe in a reincarnated consciousness, as it were, but our energy definitely reincarnates back into this planet.. were all just star dust and energy, trapped on a spinning ball until it too explodes one day. amen brother

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking. The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides. " - Carl Sagan

Also i'm certain some of you have heard of the massive DMT release after death, that forms a temporary "heaven" or "hell" universe in the brain for 15 minutes, based off your subconscious in life, such as regret, anger, happiness, ill-will, sadness, etc.

depends what you class as evidence really

the bible is evidence

historians cobble together history with less that you see featured on documentaries

also like there is a concensus on pretty much all the recorded instances (interpretation may vary) within the bible between archeologists regardless of whether they believe jesus was the son of god or not

the great flood for one

Pistonsbeneath wrote:depends what you class as evidence really

the bible is evidence

historians cobble together history with less that you see featured on documentaries

also like there is a concensus on pretty much all the recorded instances (interpretation may vary) within the bible between archeologists regardless of whether they believe jesus was the son of god or not

the great flood for one

"The world" as people knew it in the Bible was much smaller than the one we know today. If there was a flood in their region, of course it would feel like "the whole world" was flooded, because they didn't know there was any more to the world.

Pistonsbeneath wrote:depends what you class as evidence really

the bible is evidence

historians cobble together history with less that you see featured on documentaries

first of all, i wouldn't really say that's true, but second of all, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". it's only logical to demand more evidence of a man walking on water than something a bit less ridiculous

the great flood for one

sure, but that's not necessarily proof for any of the other claims in the bible. there is significant evidence of a Mesopotamian flood and it only makes sense that a cataclysmic event like that would be mentioned in the bible and given an attempted explanation/interpretation

edit: yeah, what SCope13 said

ketamine wrote:A better question is if you don't believe in God, why the h3ll do you care. You don't believe in Him, right?

I don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny... But I don't make JPGs of me texting "HI, I'm a Bunny-ist!" and start self righteous internet threads asking people why they eat Cadburry Chocolates.

That image got me wondering too, now, why Athiests are such ^ssholes themselves.

i have noticed this lot more. Its almost as if atheism is just another religion.

I went to a Christian primary school, had to sing hymns and say a prayer everyday, of course i believed in every thing the bible said because that's all i knew. Then i went to secondary school and learnt about science and other religions, now im a secular humanist.

Phigure wrote:

fractal wrote:i might not believe in a reincarnated consciousness, as it were, but our energy definitely reincarnates back into this planet.. were all just star dust and energy, trapped on a spinning ball until it too explodes one day. amen brother

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking. The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides. " - Carl Sagan

Carl Sagan is an absolute badman

NiGHTS-24 wrote:i have noticed this lot more. Its almost as if atheism is just another religion.

well then, i reckon i'm an a-theist, but i'm no Atheist.

SCope13 wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:depends what you class as evidence really

the bible is evidence

historians cobble together history with less that you see featured on documentaries

also like there is a concensus on pretty much all the recorded instances (interpretation may vary) within the bible between archeologists regardless of whether they believe jesus was the son of god or not

the great flood for one

"The world" as people knew it in the Bible was much smaller than the one we know today. If there was a flood in their region, of course it would feel like "the whole world" was flooded, because they didn't know there was any more to the world.

fair point scope! many cultures and religions have stories of great floods that flood their "world". these types of floods still happen today, but our world is a lot larger. maybe when the ice caps melt again we will experience a great flood and humans living eons after it will use it in their stories everything exists inside of a cycle imho

Atheism and religion are both attempts by the human ego to make sense of reality. Agnosticism is the only justifiable position to hold.

wilson wrote:Atheism and religion are both attempts by the human ego to make sense of reality. Agnosticism is the only justifiable position to hold.

wilson wrote:Atheism and religion are both attempts by the human ego to make sense of reality. Agnosticism is the only justifiable position to hold.

atheism isn't an attempt at anything.

and for what its worth, i'm a gnostic atheist when it comes to religions with omnipotent, omniscient gods (because i think they can be ruled out through ontological reasoning), but an agnostic atheist towards ideas like pantheism, deism, etc. and i think a lot of people who call themselves atheists feel the same way.

Phigure wrote:

wilson wrote:Atheism and religion are both attempts by the human ego to make sense of reality. Agnosticism is the only justifiable position to hold.

atheism isn't an attempt at anything.

and for what its worth, i'm a gnostic atheist when it comes to religions with omnipotent, omniscient gods (because i think they can be ruled out through ontological reasoning), but an agnostic atheist towards ideas like pantheism, deism, etc. and i think a lot of people who call themselves atheists feel the same way.

Religion is all about perception.

Different people perceive different parts in different ways. That is why it (it being any holy book) is such an unreliable source.

Nothing in the Bible is set in stone. If that were the case, the majority of religious people would not be going to heaven (if, of course, there is a god).

There is not one person on earth who has followed the teachings and morals of the Bible word for word. It's impossible, because of the number of contradictions you would cross.
And then, at the other end of the scale, there are people who say they believe in God, and believe they will go to heaven, even though they use profanities, have homosexual friends, have sex before marriage, masturbate etc etc. All of these things are 'unholy in the eyes of the lord'.

There are people at one end of the scale, who believe that they will go to heaven purely because they believe in God. And there are the fundamentalists, who go to church at every opportunity, say prayers before every meal, send their children to religious schools, and stick 'God hates cigarettes' stickers everywhere visible. All because they believe that only this way will they be sent to heaven. And there are millions upon millions of people in between these two ends of the scale, each with their own reasons for believing, and their own beliefs about what will get you to heaven or not.

After all, that's what it's all about, isn't it? Getting to heaven, or going to hell if you don't fit the bill.

So... If neither heaven nor hell exists, what is the need to 'believe' in God?

And with so many people from and between one end of the scale to the other, how can God simply place people in one of these two places?
How can you place believer A, who goes to church, prays regularly, wears a cross, sings hymns before bed, got married before ever having sex, cares for the elderly etc etc... In the same place as believer B, who just believes in God, goes to church maybe once a week, swears a lot and had unprotected sex at 16 before marriage? And what about believer C, who does everything believer A does, just for another God?

It's like if music was divided into two genres.
Dubstep... And... Not Dubstep.

Where would you put the burial tunes?

Does anyone understand what I'm saying? Or am I just rambling on...