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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:47 pm
by vxd1
eventualdecline wrote:Jamie from Vex'd comes from a dnb background as well.
No that's not any more true for me than it is for Loefah or Kode9. Yeh Rols and I loved metalheadz & fullcycle, but I was always more in hip hop, and roly quickly moved out of jungle and into dub. D&B stopped for me around 2001, earlier maybe.
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:47 pm
by parson
if the 140 dnb is such shit then people don't need you telling them not to make it because they'll figure it out when nobody likes it
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:51 pm
by misk
Parson wrote:thread makes me feel like making a tune full of chopped up amens and mentasms and reeces
your a funny guy!
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:54 pm
by parson
samples don't make a tune and they don't make a genre
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:58 pm
by seckle
using a formula to build beats is a cop out. the amen loop became a formula. it became predictable. as great as it is, it's never going to be more than what it is. how about pushing new textures and ideas, instead of rehashing formulas?
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:59 pm
by parson
new ideas like sampling world music?
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:01 pm
by parson
talk about going through formulaic motions
how about this argument
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:04 pm
by seckle
Parson wrote:talk about going through formulaic motions
how about this argument
sure, because let's not progress music at all. let's stick to formulas, and predictablilty. thats clearly the way forward.
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:05 pm
by parson
i believe in the progression of music
and in arguments
this one is tired
the fact is that at the end of a day if a tune is good its good. who the fuck are you to say skream is wrong for using amens in lightning? that tune is off the hook and if he gave your pov any consideration at all the world would be a worse place.
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:13 pm
by seckle
Parson wrote:i believe in the progression of music
and in arguments
this one is tired
the fact is that at the end of a day if a tune is good its good. who the fuck are you to say skream is wrong for using amens in lightning? that tune is off the hook and if he gave your pov any consideration at all the world would be a worse place.
who said anything about not using amen? use it all you want. i'm just bored to tears with it. mainly because a large part of my love for dnb is remembering the first time i heard amen properly.
we all have musical memory, and my personal view on it is that it should be left alone in 2007.
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:14 pm
by parson
i say do whuchalike
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:15 pm
by parson
and if whuchalike is pleasing seckle then stay away from the amen buddy!
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:18 pm
by seckle
Parson wrote:and if whuchalike is pleasing seckle then stay away from the amen buddy!
get over it man. it's an opinion.
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:20 pm
by parson
holla
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:00 am
by wooleybooley
Misk wrote:asc/intex systems' stuff is pretty fresh. definitely diggin it. i dont really care where you came from, if the music's good, then its good.
love the Intex Systems stuff as well.
I kinda like the fact that there's this mashing of D & B with Dubstep and Breakbeats. Some tracks by Reso, Elemental and Distance all have that Breakbeat feel but with much deeper synth parts. I'm all for it!
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:06 am
by abZ
What I don't understand is why the heads that come from dnb get shit but the heads that come from techno or breakbeat or whatever don't. IMO techno and breakbeat is every bit as stale as dnb is. It's the reason a lot of people are jumping on the dubstep wagon. There is nothing wrong with joining the cause tho. It means that this music is good. The more the merrier. I'm also fine with the amens. It sounds fresh again @ 140 to me.
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:43 am
by umkhontowesizwe
daddek wrote:well dubstep is now the "new" DnB. unfortunately.
prolly why bassline garage and grime are on a comeback.
you fassys dissing spaceape showed the new dubstep audience for what it really is. fucking DOA migration.
fuuckin waaaasteman
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:01 pm
by contraband
daddek wrote:contraband wrote: what does that even mean?
should be obvious to anyone whose been into this for more than one year. these DOA migrants have brought in a new strain of techy, jump up dubstep, which bears all the trappings of jump up d&b, minus a few bpm. many these lot don't respect the original intention of the music, and blatantly diss the originators. garage is gay, fuck spaceape etc. it's sad.
So you have not heard of Martyn or Breakage? They are still rolling out original, vibing DnB - and they've bought this talent to Dubstep.
Not to mention some of the most obvious jump up/dnb influenced dubstep tunes are be these 'godfathers' or 'originators' of dubstep itself!
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:17 pm
by misk
i was thinking about this last night and i realized how most of the producers here, came from another genre, thus, theres probably a lot more knowledge of production in dubstep than a lot of other forms of music.
nothing great about this i suppose, but it is nice to see people trying out different stuff (not always new, but different nonetheless) more often, mainly because they have been around long enough to see whats been going on.
oh, and theres less "how do i make this bassline" and "how do i chop this break" threads here than on the grid. thats kinda nice
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:27 pm
by toxin
contraband wrote:daddek wrote:contraband wrote: what does that even mean?
So you have not heard of Martyn or Breakage? They are still rolling out original, vibing DnB - and they've bought this talent to Dubstep.
Not to mention some of the most obvious jump up/dnb influenced dubstep tunes are be these 'godfathers' or 'originators' of dubstep itself!
