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sapphic_beats wrote: i love vinyl, but i am sick of people talking smack. at the end of the day, as long as the music is heard, and the artists are paid, and the people have fun...i'm happy.

well put mate

Bob Crunkhouse wrote: As you put it we'll to agree to disagree on the sound quality issue, I'd go as far to say that 99% of people on this board couldn't tell the difference between a 320, a wav and a Vinyl.D

sorry but thats way off. people can tell the difference.

on a properly crossedover and reamped system, an unmastered 320 will usually sound very mid range to high range and the bass roll off at 60hz is just not there. it's like a whole bunch of middle range sub and super high end. the whole point of getting a tune mastered is so the bass is managed and tweaked for output at high volume. the whole chestweight thing.

it's not too much to ask to strive for near perfect sound. other genre's have suffered from people not making sound the priority. this is dubstep, and it should be heard properly, or else what's the point. if you settle for mediocrity then people will hear mediocrity.

mastering is a huge reason why this music is so powerful, and why it doesn't sound like anything else at the moment.

its not way off at all....i'd love to sit people down who believe this and play them a wav a vinyl. Get over your preffered format and realise what it is, just a way of you lsitening to music, that all.....who said anything about unmastered 320's? im obviously talking about having a mastered version for each format.

you can all pretend to be audiophiles if you want and pretend you can tell the difference, the truth is very few can...

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:its not way off at all....i'd love to sit people down who believe this and play them a wav a vinyl. Get over your preffered format and realise what it is, just a way of you lsitening to music, that all.....who said anything about unmastered 320's? im obviously talking about having a mastered version for each format.

you can all pretend to be audiophiles if you want and pretend you can tell the difference, the truth is very few can...

i'm all for serato/final scratch/ipods whatever. use whatever format you want. this is about basic sound management. garbage in...garbage out. it's basic. it's got nothing to do with being an audiophile. sure, there's going to be maybe 60% of the people that won't/don't care, but what about the 40% who will? again, it's about trying to deliver the best sound you can, regardless of what equipment you use. right now, unmastered tunes on serato just isn't there yet.

1877
Thomas Edison invents sound recording.

1878
Thomas Edison patents the phonograph.

1948
Columbia Records introduces the 33 1/3 LP

1949
45 rpm records are sold in the U.S.

1952
Bernard Cousino of Toledo, Ohio designs the 8-Track.

1963
Philips introduced the compact audio cassette.

1973
The Jamaican film The Harder They Come, starring Jimmy Cliff, launches the popularity of reggae music in the United States. (recognize!)

1978
Sony introduces the Walkman, the first portable stereo.

1982
Sony introduced the CDP-101, the first Compact Disc audio CD player.

2001
CEO Steve Jobs the "iPod"

2007
Just got my package of vinyl I was waiting on. THANKS THOMAS!
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Matt 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last.
who would have thought jesus was talking about vinyl?

THA ILLSTA wrote: When the spares run out for lathe cutting heads, and all the lathes are broken, that spells the end of vinyl,

scary things. serious...

Vinyl is going to be around for sometime yet.

S.T. Holdings wrote:Vinyl is going to be around for sometime yet.

You hope

lots of people talking about 320's vs vinyl etc etc..

at the end of the day, its a horses for courses thing.
I dont mind listening to unmastered tunes that my mates have just knocked up, to hear there ideas, see where there coming from, offer advice, give support etc, that's a healthy thing...but when i go to a club, i want pure analogue bassweight, it has to said ,any digital format on a big rig sounds absoluetly shit!

vinyl is for music lovers of all types, i dont think i know a single person in my peer group who buys cd's these days, but every fucker i know got an ipod ,but that aint about really listening to music on a proper deep level.
It's fucking crazy to think the ipod is devaluing music to such a degree, yet they sell albums for 20 nik on itunes store.
fucking crazy.....

long live vinyl ,& bring back the fucking 8 track tape!

thecrane wrote:chemicals used in the production of vinyl going to be banned next year?

we will press in china

A properly mastered wav sounds really good

A mastered 320 sounds good, although not the best because compression has taken place.

You can def tell the difference between vinyl and a wav because its a different sound but to say one sounds better is a bit silly.

And so much depends on the system your listeing to it on.

On a side note I would like to know what files Plastician uses with serato coz he still buns down fwd with it!

skrewface wrote:I like alot of you here were xenophobic against technology

I think the word is technophobe... Xenophobia means you hate foreigners!

dirtycash wrote:l
long live vinyl ,& bring back the fucking 8 track tape!

SAFE.

love the way the player lights up the label, showing you what's playing.

all about the sam + dave tape in the bluesmobile...

Vinyl all day long

Vinyl will be gone by next week...




























Weed will be history the following week !!!!!

They told me years ago that there was only one old guy in germany who could fix the cutter heads on Neumann Lathes and that he only had 1 apprentice - like some kind of mad yoda/luke skywalker situation.

so if they were to be lost ......?

yes vinyl is expensive and large to store but as peeps have said already - have you really got a 'record collection' on a computer hard drive ? when the drive fails, you got nothin'.

cracks me up that esp with older albums that it costs the same or even more to get them from i tunes as it would to buy the cd original from shops like fopp (rip)

Personally if I could I'd go with dubs all day long. Sadly I have a mortage and a Cat to feed so getting £300 pounds of dubs cut a month is just not an option for me and especially at the rate tunes get set to me and how many I build, I'd be spending 100's a week.

This has been an interesting topic for some time but my thoughts stay the same.

IF i could afford dubs I'd be a dub man n if my music starts to pay thats where my money would go without a 2nd thought.

IF mastering Wav's wasn't so expencive I'd have every track I get mastered but pound 4 pound its more to master a CD that cut a dub, whats all that about?

I think sometime in the future cutting houses will have to lower the price on CD masters to accomadate serato users.

BUT the biggest issue is simple and has been pointed out by Seckle and others and is quite franky that only issue here is

Mastering! That final touch from a pro like Jason or LD is the most important missing link. THAT is what I hate about MP3's, cutting out the ears that have pretty much crafted this sound.

geiom wrote: yes vinyl is expensive and large to store but as peeps have said already - have you really got a 'record collection' on a computer hard drive ? when the drive fails, you got nothin'.

Damn straight, for me its all about balance otherwise I'd live under piles of the black stuff. I buy CD's, WAV's & Vinyl and use Traktor scratch to mix the lot. Its also simple economics same as DJ $hy. I'm not a fan of CDJ's and love the feel of 1210 & Wax.

cracks me up that esp with older albums that it costs the same or even more to get them from i tunes as it would to buy the cd original from shops like fopp (rip)

Year this is where the industry needs to wake up. I got a free £5 voucher for Beatport and popped on to get some WAV's of some minimal stuff. Spent the whole lot on 2 tunes and I had to be careful what I bought or it could have been more!?!? I get 2 sometimes 3 or 4 tunes on a slab of wax costing almost the same money, its bollocks and needs addressing!!!

VINYL WILL NEVER DIE*!!!



*even if it only exists in Serento & Traktor (etc) format

even if the polymer thats in vinyl does get banned in 2008 i cant see records dying out completely. im sure some other alternative material can be used... i hope so anyway