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pkay wrote:here i made one

This, except change 2000 to 1991.





Fuck, I'm old.

This one innit

ah it's clearly a joke ting.

@Genevieve you're probably overthinking this

ultraspatial wrote:@Genevieve you're probably overthinking this

I don't think that IDM and EDM are culturally linked and that there's some connection in the name. But I think the jist is correct in that they're taking each side of the classic 'rave culture' to ridiculous extremes.

Genevieve wrote:

ultraspatial wrote:@Genevieve you're probably overthinking this

I don't think that IDM and EDM are culturally linked and that there's some connection in the name. But I think the jist is correct in that they're taking each side of the classic 'rave culture' to ridiculous extremes.

This is much more concise than your first post on the topic, btw.

And yeah, put that way: EDM tends toward the extremes of mindless four on the floor hedonism, and IDM tends toward the extremes of self-indulgent self-importance.

Alpha, it's not even the right 4x4 hedonism..."EDM" shows have so many stnuc filming with their mobiles.

alphacat wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

ultraspatial wrote:@Genevieve you're probably overthinking this

I don't think that IDM and EDM are culturally linked and that there's some connection in the name. But I think the jist is correct in that they're taking each side of the classic 'rave culture' to ridiculous extremes.

This is much more concise than your first post on the topic, btw.

I know I have waaay too many thoughts going through my head at once :'0

idm is for butt hertz and edm makes your butt hurt

^ real talk

People have been using the word "rock" and "pop" to describe a ridiculously broad genre of music, which has changed and keeps changing throughout the years. The word EDM is here to stay and just like "pop" and "rock" it's gonna signify nothing and everything. Deal with it.

Saying that you like to listen to EDM is a valid thing to say, it just means that you either like a broad genre of music or that you are not knowledgeable about music.

Would you find it strange if a non audiophile said that they like rock music? Same with EDM.

frenchboy wrote:People have been using the word "rock" and "pop" to describe a ridiculously broad genre of music, which has changed and keeps changing throughout the years. The word EDM is here to stay and just like "pop" and "rock" it's gonna signify nothing and everything. Deal with it.

Saying that you like to listen to EDM is a valid thing to say, it just means that you either like a broad genre of music or that you are not knowledgeable about music.

Would you find it strange if a non audiophile said that they like rock music? Same with EDM.

My thoughts on this from an earlier post:

alphacat wrote:

ketamine wrote:

alphacat wrote:To most middle class Americans over the age of 25 or so, it's all "techno." They lump it under the easiest label for them generalize and don't give a fuck about stylistic or genre differences.

So true it hurts. I can't agree enough. If its electornic dance music in America it's Techno. Period.

I used to spout rants at the ignorant but realize that it's not their fault that they want to live in a comfortable, predictable musical world. They've been conditioned from an early age to mistrust the new and different.

Now when I try to educate the dum-dums I say, "you're using 'Techno' as a descriptive because of how the music is made [technologically] - but that's like saying "I like guitar music" - what do you mean? Rock, Country, Folk, etc. all have guitars. Lumping it all into one category because of the device used to make that music is silly, don't you think? "

If they care at all it usually makes something of an impression, but most folks don't care. Which is fine, because I probably wouldn't wanna talk to them anyway.

Today wrote:#185: When you started enjoying dubstep and all your friends only listen to actual techno now

Your friends are some real ass people.

In the UK, isn't "underground music" a somewhat popular broad term for grime, garage, funky, dubstep etc, distinguished from "indie music" which is guitars and pianos and "bands" and singer-songwriter stuff. I remember Jamie XX saying in that Blackdown interview that people were surpised to see him do an "underground" record when he was mostly associated with "indie", which at first seemed funny: Don't they both mean not-mainstream?

But actually, those would be good umbrella terms, if there has to be any. At least that way, the cool music which is technically speaking "Electronic Dance Music" wouldn't be lumped in with "EDM", which is completely different in terms of sensibility.

indie is pretty mainstream stuff tbh.


But yeah I remember seeing that interview too, think you're probably right.

SCope13 wrote:indie is pretty mainstream stuff tbh.

That's the beauty of it though. "Night" was a pretty mainstream dubstep tune, in that it was popular AF, but you still can't lump it in with the stuff commonly called "EDM". It's a proper tune. Likewise, as you say, there's plenty of "indie" records with mainstream success, but "indie" still describes a set of sensibilities, as "underground" could do.

whenever i'm in a club i always take a moment to consider what genre the tune playing probably is, and if it doesn't fit in some arbitrary box that i like then i throw stuff at the dj

gotta stroke my chin at least 10^8 times each night for it to be a good night out

#truheadz

The origin of the term is one thing, what it comes to mean with time is another. 'Indie' originally described music released on smaller labels. In the UK it was post-punk bands starting to play guitar pop music, in America it was hardcore punk bands playing guitar pop. All those bands had in common was that they were signed to independent labels, hence the term indie. But Guided By Voices, the Fall or Husker Du all had a pretty different sound. But because all those musicians were called indie, they got the same fanbase, so at this point it's a pretty undescriptive term. It didn't start to become descriptive until some of those fans were making music influenced by both The Smiths and Dinosaur jr that there was an identifiable indie sound.

Etymology lolzzz.

Tbh, I think the same thing happened with dubstep. Loefah and Horsepower Productions had fairly different influences and roots, but were both bred by the same scene. Yeah they were dark and weighty, but still rather different. They didn't really become the same type of music until people were using the same word to describe them and producers were influenced by both musicians. If no one came up with the name "dubstep", Distance would've been a breakbeat producer and Vex'd would've been grime.

The moral of the story is. Genre names are no different than anatomical words or colors. They're just words that describe something with a long history attached to them, but don't try to make sense of them, that's not the point. The point is what they're supposed to describe, not HOW they describe it.

volcanogeorge wrote:whenever i'm in a club i always take a moment to consider what genre the tune playing probably is, and if it doesn't fit in some arbitrary box that i like then i throw stuff at the dj

gotta stroke my chin at least 10^8 times each night for it to be a good night out

#truheadz

me on a night out with the lads

m8 that looks massive, was that when boddika double dropped levels and mercy VIP?