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Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:10 am
by Sexual_Chocolate
Phase Down wrote:
Marcus wrote:If advertisement was banned most of the internet would die off.
no it wouldnt.. lol
a lot of major websites would dissapear.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:10 am
by wolf89
gwa wrote:eating meat / killing animals for our own benefit
Being a vegeterian

but on a serious note. I have no idea.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:15 am
by Laszlo
Nevalo wrote:
Phase Down wrote:
Marcus wrote:If advertisement was banned most of the internet would die off.
no it wouldnt.. lol
a lot of major websites would dissapear.
Either restructure your finances and find revenue from elsewhere or go under, yes.

If your product is solid you'll be fine.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:18 am
by Marcus
Laszlo wrote:
Nevalo wrote:
Phase Down wrote:
Marcus wrote:If advertisement was banned most of the internet would die off.
no it wouldnt.. lol
a lot of major websites would dissapear.
Either restructure your finances and find revenue from elsewhere or go under, yes.

If your product is solid you'll be fine.
What would happen to places like this forum where adverts are their only income?

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:19 am
by magma
Phase Down wrote:
Marcus wrote:If advertisement was banned most of the internet would die off.
no it wouldnt.. lol
In its current form, yes it would. You'd have to replace all the advertising revenue by raising taxes and paying for it out of the public purse or charging subscriptions to every individual service.

I'm not sure if I'd rather pay a membership to use DSF or scroll past an advert each time I post.

Oh wait, yeah I am; it's really easy. I'll scroll past an advert that gets blocked by work anyway.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:21 am
by Laszlo
Marcus wrote:
Laszlo wrote:
Nevalo wrote:
Phase Down wrote:
Marcus wrote:If advertisement was banned most of the internet would die off.
no it wouldnt.. lol
a lot of major websites would dissapear.
Either restructure your finances and find revenue from elsewhere or go under, yes.

If your product is solid you'll be fine.
What would happen to places like this forum where adverts are their only income?
Laszlo wrote:Either restructure your finances and find revenue from elsewhere or go under.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:24 am
by wub
Would that not force non-commercial websites (that might rely on adverts to cover their running costs) to sell something in order to survive?

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:27 am
by Marcus
wub wrote:Would that not force non-commercial websites (that might rely on adverts to cover their running costs) to sell something in order to survive?
Pretty much the point I'm trying to make. Do you really think people would start paying money for a brand new website they aren't too sure about and has very little members?

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:42 am
by Laszlo
Perhaps there could be some kind of (dare I say it) taxation on products that would go to running sites etc. Like, this is a music forum so a percentage of ticket sales, album sales, merchandise etc goes into a fund which pays for DSF, DoA and the rest.

Obviously that idea can and will be torn to shreds but I reckon after the initial ten years or so of the law coming in, after all the web designers and graphic designers have died of starvation, the general happiness of society will be up. A lot.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:42 am
by magma
Marcus wrote:
wub wrote:Would that not force non-commercial websites (that might rely on adverts to cover their running costs) to sell something in order to survive?
Pretty much the point I'm trying to make. Do you really think people would start paying money for a brand new website they aren't too sure about and has very little members?
Which is why the only workable alternative is to pay for it through the public purse.

But that opens up a pretty massive opportunity for censorship due to the need for "proper" use of taxpayer's money. I can't see the Daily Mail brigade feeling too happy about paying for a new competitor to The Silk Road, for example.

Advertising isn't as bad as Bill Hicks jokes about it are funny.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:43 am
by Phase Down
Nevalo wrote:
Phase Down wrote:
Marcus wrote:If advertisement was banned most of the internet would die off.
no it wouldnt.. lol
a lot of major websites would dissapear.
and new ones would take it place

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:45 am
by magma
Phase Down wrote:
Nevalo wrote:
Phase Down wrote:
Marcus wrote:If advertisement was banned most of the internet would die off.
no it wouldnt.. lol
a lot of major websites would dissapear.
and new ones approved by the government or absolutely guaranteed to make money would take it place
Sounds just great.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:52 am
by Laszlo
Fine.
I'll edit my idea - internet advertising is fine (I can ad block that :mrgreen: ) as are magazine ads as you choose to buy that and look at it. However, if the ad has some outright bullshit in it ("74% of the 251 people we asked agreed." that isn't a whole number. tnuc.) then the company is heavily fined.
T.V/film ads are out as are ads in public spaces.

Happy, fuckers?

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:55 am
by wub
So this is more about the style and factual content of adverts than outright banning of all adverts?

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:57 am
by Laszlo
It is now :(

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:58 am
by wub
Laszlo wrote:It is now :(
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Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:03 pm
by Laszlo
:(


But tbh, I don't really care about websites either. Society seemed to get along just fine before rampant internet advertising, but whatever, i'll change my idea if only to placate the ninjas making money off the internet.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:24 pm
by magma
Laszlo wrote::(


But tbh, I don't really care about websites either. Society seemed to get along just fine before rampant internet advertising, but whatever, i'll change my idea if only to placate the ninjas making money off the internet.
I do lean to agreeing that society would be better without advertising, but some necessary evils are required to keep the balance between all the different facets of human progress... billboards and stuff, I reckon we could benefit without (especially if Graffiti is to be illegal); but I'm really sceptical that there's a better way to allow freedom of expression and enterprise in an environment like the Internet... put a financial block in the way and the Internet might as well just be the High St - things will likely only appear if the creators can convince their bank it'll be profitable (I have a feeling this would make the Internet a much more depressing place) and put a request for taxpayer's money in the way and things might start disappearing if the entire country can't agree on them.

Commercial TV is a difficult one. I never really watch commercial TV so I'd like to think we can do without it, but I wonder whether we'd have so many wonderfully made TV series recently if people couldn't try one or two episodes for free before buying a DVD Boxset. We even benefit from the Beeb running adverts in foreign markets to supplement our license fees...

Edit: But of course having good TV series =/ Happy Society. I'm rambling. You're right.

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:42 pm
by Jizz
Laszlo wrote:
JizzMan wrote:We are all advertisements, of one thing or the other. Would be near impossible to ban unless we stop looking at ourselves through chains of command
You know what I mean - commercials
i'll take u seriously when u stop advertising urself as a boxer m9

Re: If you can make one thing illegal...

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:44 pm
by wub
Boxer?