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SCope13 wrote:Holy fuck I hate how meat eaters get SO FUCKING DEFENSIVE whenever the subject comes up.

Yes, we all do. No exceptions.

SCope13 wrote:Holy fuck I hate how meat eaters get SO FUCKING DEFENSIVE whenever the subject comes up. There's no argument against vegetarianism/veganism.

WELL I WANT TO EAT MY FUCKING STEAK AND YOU CAN'T KEEP ME FROM EATING MY FUCKING STEAK

IN FACT, IN LIGHT OF THIS THREAD. I WILL EAT A GIANT STEAK ON A PLATE MADE OF STEAK, USE CUTLERY MADE OF STEAK, WHIPE OFF MY CHIN WITH A STEAK NAPKIN AND WASH IT ALL DOWN WITH STEAK JUICES

STEEEAAAAK

STEAK STEAK STEAK STEAK STEAK

For real tho'. There's a pretty easy argument for it; moral relativism. I hate the extremists from both sides because there's no real logical answer to it, it's all personal preference. There's equally valid reasons to eat anything. I'm personally not fuzzed with what anyone eats tbh. I eat meat but I'm not passionate about it.

garethom wrote:

SCope13 wrote:Holy fuck I hate how meat eaters get SO FUCKING DEFENSIVE whenever the subject comes up.

Yes, we all do. No exceptions.

We're all the same

anyway a vegan mum ignorantly starving their kid
is no less tragic & irresponsible
than slobbish parents poisoning their kids with carbohydrates
or, for that matter, half the people on here
killing themselves with shit diets, drugs & lack of exercise
so don't you lot get on your high horses,
shit happens to everyone
(except a few of us perfectly righteous ones trying to bring our hard-won wisdom to your cloth ears)

i feel like eating a vegetable right now after reading that

Genevieve wrote: For real tho'. There's a pretty easy argument for it; moral relativism. I hate the extremists from both sides because there's no real logical answer to it, it's all personal preference. There's equally valid reasons to eat anything. I'm personally not fuzzed with what anyone eats tbh. I eat meat but I'm not passionate about it.

how do you reconcile moral relativism with libertarianism?

Like how can taxes be theft if most people in a community agree that taxes are appropriate.

Terpit wrote:OMG ALL VEGANS ARE BABY KILLERS!!

only sensible comment in this thread

scspkr99 wrote:

Genevieve wrote: For real tho'. There's a pretty easy argument for it; moral relativism. I hate the extremists from both sides because there's no real logical answer to it, it's all personal preference. There's equally valid reasons to eat anything. I'm personally not fuzzed with what anyone eats tbh. I eat meat but I'm not passionate about it.

how do you reconcile moral relativism with libertarianism?

Like how can taxes be theft if most people in a community agree that taxes are appropriate.

well moral relativism doesn't really go well with any ideology, as every one prescribes a certain behaviour

that's not necessarily true but regardless it seems kina unusual for someone claiming that tax is slavery to suggest that morality is relative

relativism seems much less compelling than libertarianism tbh and I don't fancy that much

scspkr99 wrote:

Genevieve wrote: For real tho'. There's a pretty easy argument for it; moral relativism. I hate the extremists from both sides because there's no real logical answer to it, it's all personal preference. There's equally valid reasons to eat anything. I'm personally not fuzzed with what anyone eats tbh. I eat meat but I'm not passionate about it.

how do you reconcile moral relativism with libertarianism?

Like how can taxes be theft if most people in a community agree that taxes are appropriate.

I'm "libertarian" because I AM a moral relativist and I don't believe in violently enforcing one person's morality against someone else I know there is a small confict there, because my absolute opposition to violence isn't a morally-relativist one, but I think it strikes the best balance.

Anyway, if you say no to the taxes, if you refuse long enough, you get a bullet in your head. Literally. I know I sound waay melo-dramatic but it's still what would happen. Being incapable of refusing makes it force.

But, if the people entirely agree with the tax code and are in agreement with paying the share that the state expects of them, then they aren't being aggressed against, no. But by forcing other people to adhere to a taxation code they don't agree with, they're aggressing against them. And I'm allowing other people to contribute voluntarily to the state all they want. But they don't offer me the same type of freedom.

What about people who agree with taxes, but think we're waaaay overtaxed? Or people who agree it IS theft/violence, but a necessary form of violence?

I think I'm super incoherent and all over the place right now cuz I can't focus properly right now.

It seems to me that while no violence is an irrefutable moral position for libertarians there are others that are only superficially relative. like are you saying that morality is relative to each individual? If so it's kind of meaningless if it's relative to a particular society or culture then moral relativism would hold that it may be morally okay to justify executing people for non payment of taxes. That said I'm kinda socially libertarian to a degree and there are some similarities to moral relativism in that I don't think it's necessary to take moral positions on certain questions.

I've spent over 40 years lacking coherence I wouldn't worry about it too much

Everyone should be socially libertarian tbh.

SCope13 wrote:Everyone should be socially libertarian tbh.

it's the most appealing position on certain things but I can't get with what it entails

i like steak & guns

obama is already taking my guns

will he come for my steak???

u decide

Even though most of my favourite food is meat-based, and I couldn't see myself not eating it, I can understand why people are against it (in terms of the animal's quality of life) and don't really have time for the anti-vegetarian/vegan aggro that goes about.

Genevieve wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:

Genevieve wrote: For real tho'. There's a pretty easy argument for it; moral relativism. I hate the extremists from both sides because there's no real logical answer to it, it's all personal preference. There's equally valid reasons to eat anything. I'm personally not fuzzed with what anyone eats tbh. I eat meat but I'm not passionate about it.

how do you reconcile moral relativism with libertarianism?

Like how can taxes be theft if most people in a community agree that taxes are appropriate.

I'm "libertarian" because I AM a moral relativist and I don't believe in violently enforcing one person's morality against someone else I know there is a small confict there, because my absolute opposition to violence isn't a morally-relativist one, but I think it strikes the best balance.

Anyway, if you say no to the taxes, if you refuse long enough, you get a bullet in your head. Literally. I know I sound waay melo-dramatic but it's still what would happen. Being incapable of refusing makes it force.

But, if the people entirely agree with the tax code and are in agreement with paying the share that the state expects of them, then they aren't being aggressed against, no. But by forcing other people to adhere to a taxation code they don't agree with, they're aggressing against them. And I'm allowing other people to contribute voluntarily to the state all they want. But they don't offer me the same type of freedom.

What about people who agree with taxes, but think we're waaaay overtaxed? Or people who agree it IS theft/violence, but a necessary form of violence?

I think I'm super incoherent and all over the place right now cuz I can't focus properly right now.

Serious question: how do you forsee your anarcho-capitalist (or whatever term you prefer, sorry for making assumptions) revolution taking place without the use of violence?


APOLOGIES FOR THE EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC POST

Eat my meat y'all

rayman612 wrote:i like steak & guns

obama is already taking my guns

will he come for my steak???

u decide

Barack HUSSEIN Obama

hugh wrote:Even though most of my favourite food is meat-based, and I couldn't see myself not eating it, I can understand why people are against it (in terms of the animal's quality of life) and don't really have time for the anti-vegetarian/vegan aggro that goes about.

I wonder how many vegans will eat that lab grown stuff when it's readily available