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Icetickle wrote:

hutyluty wrote:good for you lol

My point is that not every brostep producer wants to sound like skrillex and not every dubstep producer wants to sound like burial.

yeah but youve got to admit that brostep as a whole is built on people trying to get a certain sound right?

so i'm saying why bother go through all the bother of learning the synthesis and the sound design and w/e when you can just skip the whole thing like zomboy (allegedly) did and sample whichever bit you like and make $$$. good for him i say.

@wub: really interesting points. I never actually thought about that. It is true in almost all cases of classic dance genres you have a group of people hanging out on a regular basis and sharing music they've created/found and this turns into an event to showcase that music. Kinda has me wanting to try and start some monthly local meeting for electronic musicians in my area. I mean that is also what happened in Chicago and Detroit.

I think that's partially what happened to our local weekly here. The older heads were the only ones capable of putting it on, mean while the bedwetters (as wub so elegantly put it) couldn't even show up to see the blog-step DJs the old heads booked, but without the youth paying at the door to get in the weekly disappears. I hear my students (who average 18-20) talk about dubstep once in a while, but almost exclusively to mock it (Skrillex is a typical target of ridicule for them).

There is a guy I just sold some gear to in Cleveland with a few friends trying to get some kind experimental/noise scene/night/group/label together, not really my pint of beer, but maybe I should jump into it and see what's up.

The scene in my area and the next big city over (Cleveland) is looking pretty grim otherwise.

@hutyluty: I did make a big generalization. You are right to point out specific DJs who do play older records. And yes, many of us (including myself) keep many old dance records and listen to them on the regular. I still think, by and large, that DJ culture is much about going out and finding that hot new record that no one else has caught onto yet...actually as I type the last sentence that doesn't seem to be what its about anymore for many DJs, its about playing tunes that everyone already loves.

On topic - I don't see anything wrong with using samples or presets or whatever if you can make something worthwhile. For some people (myself included) it's a learning experience and how else should one start? I'm not particularly great or even good at sound design but I learned what I know through messing with synths. Though Zomboy is kind of well established right? He probably should be tweaking the hell out of things as opposed to (allegedly) sampling verbatim.

*a producer uses short bass sample from a sample pack*

SO FUCKING WHAT?

mromgwtf wrote:*a producer uses short bass sample from a sample pack*

SO FUCKING WHAT?

Not any producer tho

mromgwtf wrote:*a producer uses short bass sample from a sample pack*

SO FUCKING WHAT?

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Piano here is also a sample for a sample pack. Some guy shared it on youtube.

Icetickle wrote:

mromgwtf wrote:*a producer uses short bass sample from a sample pack*

SO FUCKING WHAT?

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Piano here is also a sample for a sample pack. Some guy shared it on youtube.

Again, who gives a shit? Sample packs are there to be sampled, surely...the clue is in the name.

fragments wrote:@wub: really interesting points. I never actually thought about that. It is true in almost all cases of classic dance genres you have a group of people hanging out on a regular basis and sharing music they've created/found and this turns into an event to showcase that music. Kinda has me wanting to try and start some monthly local meeting for electronic musicians in my area. I mean that is also what happened in Chicago and Detroit.

I think that's partially what happened to our local weekly here. The older heads were the only ones capable of putting it on, mean while the bedwetters (as wub so elegantly put it) couldn't even show up to see the blog-step DJs the old heads booked, but without the youth paying at the door to get in the weekly disappears. I hear my students (who average 18-20) talk about dubstep once in a while, but almost exclusively to mock it (Skrillex is a typical target of ridicule for them).

Nail on the head...without actual real world support (even a small scene can act as a feedback circle) all the disposable flavour of the month genres fade away into nothing but a page cache.

fragments wrote:There is a guy I just sold some gear to in Cleveland with a few friends trying to get some kind experimental/noise scene/night/group/label together, not really my pint of beer, but maybe I should jump into it and see what's up.

The scene in my area and the next big city over (Cleveland) is looking pretty grim otherwise.

Always worth supporting the small nights for that very reason. Not to mention the networking opportunities.

wub wrote:

Icetickle wrote:

mromgwtf wrote:*a producer uses short bass sample from a sample pack*

SO FUCKING WHAT?

<iframe src="/forum/video.php?url=Another%20generic%20broshite%20tune" frameborder="0" style="overflow:hidden; height:auto; max-width:540px"></iframe>

Piano here is also a sample for a sample pack. Some guy shared it on youtube.

That made my day..

meanwhile ZOmboy is flying around the world killing it at shows and living the dream while jealous haters try to rip on him for "sampling" and "not being unique"

he is unique

he has style

just because its "brostep" doesnt mean it has no style or originality. play every one of his tunes in order, they are ALL coherent and SOUND LIKE ZOMBOY because he has created a pallet of sounds and effects that sound good toogether and are unique to him. similar to others? Yeah duh.... play the top 10 "Deep dark dungeon dubstep tunes" they all sound like they are just as similar

he is an awesome producter/artist, but admitedly not a great DJ... I saw him live and his first tune was a skrillex track, not a mashup, not a remix, just straight into Skrillex Wild for the night, that was super gay and it was even both drops, all the way through

fragments wrote:

Eat Bass wrote:Vengeance is actually good as long as you get creative and layer, chop, edit, process to personalize.

And yeah I don't get the point, everyone uses samples that they didn't synthesize or record themselves? Who the fuck cares.

All the producers that get hung up on synthesizing their own drum kits that end up sounding exactly like all the other synthesized drum kits crack my shit up. "It's cheating if I use a drum sample". Have fun synthesizing snares for for two hours, I'll just use my samples and be on my way. If you are going for some crazy Eskmo style claps/snares I get it...but to just make a regular old snare

exactly my view. its just a means of getting on with things. sampling a lot of bass sounds and leads is a no no imo because you can get so many original tones and stuff by synthesizing those and they are the forefront of the track.

fragments wrote:@wub: really interesting points. I never actually thought about that. It is true in almost all cases of classic dance genres you have a group of people hanging out on a regular basis and sharing music they've created/found and this turns into an event to showcase that music. Kinda has me wanting to try and start some monthly local meeting for electronic musicians in my area. I mean that is also what happened in Chicago and Detroit.

I think that's partially what happened to our local weekly here. The older heads were the only ones capable of putting it on, mean while the bedwetters (as wub so elegantly put it) couldn't even show up to see the blog-step DJs the old heads booked, but without the youth paying at the door to get in the weekly disappears. I hear my students (who average 18-20) talk about dubstep once in a while, but almost exclusively to mock it (Skrillex is a typical target of ridicule for them).

There is a guy I just sold some gear to in Cleveland with a few friends trying to get some kind experimental/noise scene/night/group/label together, not really my pint of beer, but maybe I should jump into it and see what's up.

The scene in my area and the next big city over (Cleveland) is looking pretty grim otherwise.

@hutyluty: I did make a big generalization. You are right to point out specific DJs who do play older records. And yes, many of us (including myself) keep many old dance records and listen to them on the regular. I still think, by and large, that DJ culture is much about going out and finding that hot new record that no one else has caught onto yet...actually as I type the last sentence that doesn't seem to be what its about anymore for many DJs, its about playing tunes that everyone already loves.

I used to live in cleveland, i would never have imagined there being any interesting music there. its just a bit grim really. Its really cool that there is an experimental scene going on.

dca wrote:meanwhile ZOmboy is flying around the world killing it at shows and living the dream while jealous haters try to rip on him for "sampling" and "not being unique"

he is unique

he has style

just because its "brostep" doesnt mean it has no style or originality. play every one of his tunes in order, they are ALL coherent and SOUND LIKE ZOMBOY because he has created a pallet of sounds and effects that sound good toogether and are unique to him. similar to others? Yeah duh.... play the top 10 "Deep dark dungeon dubstep tunes" they all sound like they are just as similar

he is an awesome producter/artist, but admitedly not a great DJ... I saw him live and his first tune was a skrillex track, not a mashup, not a remix, just straight into Skrillex Wild for the night, that was super gay and it was even both drops, all the way through

also. Little downs m8

dca wrote:they are ALL coherent and SOUND LIKE ZOMBOY because he has created a pallet of sounds and effects that sound good toogether and are unique to him.

Isn't the point of this thread that he doesn't make his own sounds though?

dca wrote: he is an awesome producter/artist, but admitedly not a great DJ... I saw him live and his first tune was a skrillex track, not a mashup, not a remix, just straight into Skrillex Wild for the night, that was super gay and it was even both drops, all the way through

Isn't this what DJ's are supposed to do? Play tunes?

Sinestepper wrote:I used to live in cleveland, i would never have imagined there being any interesting music there. its just a bit grim really. Its really cool that there is an experimental scene going on.

Really? Overall Cleveland is a great city for music! We get most of the acts moving East to West/West to East (since Chicago is so close by). I can find something to go to almost every weekend. Granted the electronic/dance scene has been utterly disappointing recently (Columbus is much better IMO). I've lived in NEOhio my whole life and I cant even begin to count all the great shows I've been to there (again, not much electronic). But yes, the city is just grim in general. Now that we have the casino Public Square is a fucking circus I can't even describe, I was for it at first, but it may actually ruin Euclid Ave around downtown :/

Yea...I'm just going to have to get on this new little scene these fellows are trying to get started. Even if its just showing up to gigs and paying to get in and having a few pints.

This thread is interesting. Not even in a bad way either.

Mm, I think their is more a "culture" around newer dubstep than a lot of you say.

Cause in general it's fallen off of whatever it was that shot "EDM" into the outer atmosphere in like 2010ish. and it's sort of changing more than it was because outside of the whole "beatport top 10" world it no longer has that extremely, centralized style. and it's branching out a bit more, slowly, and i mean really slowly a lot of producers are starting to sound less like each other again. But as with electronic music right now the internet seems to be the downfall. A new sounds pops up, and it gets done to death far too quickly for anyone to really accept or reject it, y'know?


And as someone said in here earlier, dubstep started as a bunch of people trying to one-up eachother with their tunes. And, that sounds pretty damn close to what it is now lol look at the sound design forum.

On the topic zomboy though it's sort of odd. He get's so much attention, yet he samples like this. And even so, when I hear a zomboy tune I can tell it's him pretty easily. Not by the general sounds, but just how it was produced, has like a "zomboy" sound, really full high end, almost overly done. I hear plenty of tunes where it's like oh yeah i can tell this guy was trying to copy zomboy, but you can tell it's just a copy by how it's been mixed/mastered.

Gorilla march is a guily pleasure

Sinergy wrote:Mm, I think their is more a "culture" around newer dubstep than a lot of you say.

Cause in general it's fallen off of whatever it was that shot "EDM" into the outer atmosphere in like 2010ish. and it's sort of changing more than it was because outside of the whole "beatport top 10" world it no longer has that extremely, centralized style. and it's branching out a bit more, slowly, and i mean really slowly a lot of producers are starting to sound less like each other again. But as with electronic music right now the internet seems to be the downfall. A new sounds pops up, and it gets done to death far too quickly for anyone to really accept or reject it, y'know?


And as someone said in here earlier, dubstep started as a bunch of people trying to one-up eachother with their tunes. And, that sounds pretty damn close to what it is now lol look at the sound design forum.

On the topic zomboy though it's sort of odd. He get's so much attention, yet he samples like this. And even so, when I hear a zomboy tune I can tell it's him pretty easily. Not by the general sounds, but just how it was produced, has like a "zomboy" sound, really full high end, almost overly done. I hear plenty of tunes where it's like oh yeah i can tell this guy was trying to copy zomboy, but you can tell it's just a copy by how it's been mixed/mastered.

Gorilla march is a guily pleasure

I'm not sure what kind of tunes/artist you mean when you say "new dubstep" (I don't listen to much anymore if I'm honest).

But the bit about a sound getting popular and rinsed before anyone can get their head straight about it is completely true--and that's this whole instant gratification/disposable internet culture at work. Shit spreads like fire in a gun powder plant and by the time the smoke clears and the flames die down everyone has bailed for the next raging chaos. Nothing has a chance to even develop before its over. The time and space needed for subtlety to develop just isn't there anymore. Its all about one element, people get fixated on it (the mid-range drop, for example), then *poof* we are on to the next "blog-step" genre. The thing is a lot of the fans of this stuff are producers that aren't part of a scene, so for them there isn't much of an emotional investment, they are very ready to dump the flavor of the month for what they can smell cooking over the horizon.

I just can't even care anymore.

@wub: anyway we can move the scene discussion to another thread? I'm finding it really interesting, but we/I have totally hijacked the zomboy is a copy cat thread.

blinkesko wrote:

dca wrote: he is an awesome producter/artist, but admitedly not a great DJ... I saw him live and his first tune was a skrillex track, not a mashup, not a remix, just straight into Skrillex Wild for the night, that was super gay and it was even both drops, all the way through

Isn't this what DJ's are supposed to do? Play tunes?

if I got booked to play a big show, i would never, in a million years, drop an original skrillex tune with no fx, not a remix, nothing, just the entire track 4-5 minutes through... it was lame cmon who does that lol he is ZOmboy he has his own awesome shit to play. I want to hear him when I go to see him... and the first tune... cmon its gotta (or should be) be something special that makes a statement especially because he is relatively new and making a name for himself I think he should be more original with his track selection thats all just my personaly opinon

wub wrote:

dca wrote:they are ALL coherent and SOUND LIKE ZOMBOY because he has created a pallet of sounds and effects that sound good toogether and are unique to him.

Isn't the point of this thread that he doesn't make his own sounds though?

yeah and that point is 100% BS

cmon seriously he does what every single other producer does

do you honestly think he just takes one shot bass samples and leads for all his instruments and then what? he drops in "dubstep midi destruction monster kit" lol.... and finally throws in "nasty140bpm drum loops"

its nonsense, its all bs, he is insanely talented, and his sounds are aweseome I think there are a lot of people on a high horse here who couldnt even come close to touching his production level and yet talk shit it just bugs me