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magma wrote:1. We're two years on from the worst riots in living memory.

bang on tbh forget fb lol riots will come when something big enough happens/escalates

wub wrote:Were the riots actually about something for anyone other than maybe a few people in North London, or was it mostly just urban yoot out on the rob from JJB?

cringing hard at this

magma wrote:A great deal of the time when anyone takes to the streets they get dismissed as crusties and troublemakers.

it's mad how much it can differ between countries. The way politicians and media react will obviously shape public opinion too

wub wrote:

magma wrote:What do YOU think, wub?

Too many people think that clicking a link or sharing something on social media counts as protesting, basically.

Oh, you changed your profile pic? Fantastic, that will really show them you mean business! Bollocks like that, basically. It's on a par with 1m likes to get a new kidney or some such rubbish.

It worries me, it has done for a while. The social media wave means people do less and less real world stuff. Apathy isn't so much a problem as it is a symptom. I found myself last night wondering what an EMP would do, and once I got past the initial mental shopping list of what I'd loot from the supermarket to get me through the first week or so, it was like I stopped caring. About any of this. All this online rubbish. It's a blessing and a curse, you've got whatever you want on tap in terms of information and media, but at the same time it desensitises you to the outside world.

The feeling of detachment is really growing for me with all of this, it's a strange feeling. Not isolation so much as the aforementioned apathy...I've started giving a lot less of a shit since leaving London for obvious reasons, so the UK based dissent seems really distant, and the exposure I am getting to it through social media seems forced, or at worst insincere. People retweeting for the sake f it, not giving any real thought to what they're clicking through.

Even the Today Show seems a long way away, and it got me through a lot. But it's irrelevant, for the most part. Or maybe I've switched off caring about those aspects of what once affected me.

Good post, this makes sense to me.

I wonder if a bigger proportion of your worry stems from being distant than actual activism taking place... it honestly strikes me that although we are now all forced to wade through a page of Newsfeed activism in order to catch up with our friends, the Internet has done amazing things for the ability of humanity to protest - I certainly find out about more marches than ever before. Avaaz and 38 Degrees might swell their petition numbers with hundreds of thousands of people clicking "Me TOO!", but they've also had some genuinely impressive results that I don't think would've been so swiftly achieved without the Internet.

As examples, 38 Degrees have:

- Forced coalition to scrap plans for limits on GP visits
- Forced Olympic sponsors NOT to use the tax loopholes they'd been offered during the Games
- Scrapped government plans to sell off national forests
- Inspired a bill to stop animal cruelty in circuses
- Got the Government to sign up to climate change and human trafficking treaties
- Paid for ads to name/shame corporate tax dodgers
- Stemmed the rise of US-style "Mega Dairies" in the UK
- Forced an investigation into Rupert Murdoch's bSkyb takeover which eventually led to him ditching it
- Forced Theresa May to offer asylum to an Iranian lesbian artist and activist who was due to be deported and faced torture/execution on her return.
- Forced debate on corporate lobbying and campaign funding which eventually led to a bill going through Parliament a month or so ago.

And others that I'm less excited about.

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/achievements

I was really shocked at m8son making a really balanaced, levelled post then, until I clocked it was actually magma.

balanace

wub wrote:Misguided protest and being caught up in the wave is nearly as bad;



Peter Schiff taking apart some 99% protestors who really don't know what they're protesting about.

M8son - seriously recommend you watching this.

Full (1h48m) version here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA

Yeah Peter Schiff is one of my sources on economics. No surprise here, right?

Tbh, this video is pretty much what it's like when I'm discussing market related issues on here.

Genevieve wrote:Tbh, this video is pretty much what it's like when I'm discussing market related issues on here.

From your side of the screen.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Tbh, this video is pretty much what it's like when I'm discussing market related issues on here.

From your side of the screen.

Nah, I mean no one can be 100% objective, but I post the most logically sound and well supported arguments rather than some emotionally charged rants about hanging the rich.

Genevieve wrote:hanging the rich.

only logical thing to do with them.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Genevieve wrote:hanging the rich.

only logical thing to do with them.

But who's gonna exploit the poor then?

Genevieve wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Genevieve wrote:hanging the rich.

only logical thing to do with them.

But who's gonna exploit the poor then?

Richer poor, obviously. Then hang them.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Genevieve wrote:hanging the rich.

only logical thing to do with them.

But who's gonna exploit the poor then?

Richer poor, obviously. Then hang them.

That would create an unhealthy vacuum once we run out of people. It's a universal law that the rich have to exploit the poor. Preferably violently.

Sig'd.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:Sig'd.

I endorse this.

m8son wrote: I agree, also: If you don't like the country you live in move to a better one. If you don't get paid enough get a better job.

So we should just not try to change anything we should just move away?
lmao

are u a speng? i wasn't actually suggesting that i was sarcastically suggesting it to point out a hole in wubs logic iirc.

aight man, i misinterpreted that

no worries friend

If people weren't such selfish, horrible dicks then it wouldn't matter what system we had in place, socialism, capatalism, it would all be fine.

The problem is individuals with a lot of power who do very bad things. I don't know how you can really legislate for that. For me, the framework is becoming less and less relevant.

wub wrote:

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thats so sick

i love it when ppl just par idiots

On the flip side of that, it's also very easy to appear clever when you only target idiots.