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RKM wrote: calm down dr mengele

meh, if we were allowed to test drugs on cloned humans we would have the cure to most diseases within the decade.

It's a question of whether the immorality of using the clones would outweigh the morality of saving millions of lives.

Not that prolonging life any longer is necessarily a good thing.

Genevieve wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:

test recordings wrote:Yeah fair enough. They still have to justify what they're doing though, public funds or not. Open access should be a decent way to make it more accessible, the public have a right to know what they're paying for...

yeah but the public are retards and would just moan about shit cus the big words look scary

my dads best mate is a chemist and he said the main thing fucking up progression in those areas are idiots with no understanding of anything gettin up in arms over shit they have no clue about

(hippies)

Yeah, I agree. This is why I never worry about outbreaks like these. They are possible, but likely?

A fear of scientific progress is almost innate in humanity. It's why the story about Frankenstein is so influential and why Jurassic Park was a hit. People are afraid of the unknown and science is the unknown for most people. So when they see scientific results (such as goats producing spider webbing proteins in their milk) without understanding any of the steps that were taken from A to B, they freak out.

Apparently to most people, scientists are clever enough to change and progress technology, but too dumb to understand that letting a genetically engineered firebreating dragon loose in a populated city is a bad idea.

yeah thats what i dont get

why people are so adamant to not trust them, when they'll happy gobble up shit from some dumb blog or youtube video

i don't know much about science, admittedly, but cus of the stuff scientists have done, and continue to do, i put a fair amount of trust in them


mayb i iz just nieve doe

m8son wrote:

RKM wrote: calm down dr mengele

It's a question of whether the immorality of using the clones would outweigh the morality of saving millions of lives.

if u could clone them without emotions that would be perfect

what is the actual law against cloning? why does anyone give a fuck other than religious people

m8son wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:my dads best mate is a chemist and he said the main thing fucking up progression in those areas are idiots with no understanding of anything gettin up in arms over shit they have no clue about

(hippies)

100% exactly this

Ignorance and 'ethics' are the things standing in the way of cures for diseases, effective power sources, feeding the world and pretty much everything else.

Hippies and ethics are stopping us from energy innovation and curing diseases?
I mean, ignorance sure, but don't you think maybe oil conglomerates and funding in the wrong areas play bigger roles than hippies?

I don't see how dropping moral values would increase the likelihood of curing diseases either tbh.
What are we talking about here? Testing experimental medicine on senior citizens or something?
If people are standing in the way of innovation out of principal, I would agree with you, maybe I just never met someone like that

the uk is full of them

the problem is as well that its now cool to be like that...

see so many hip girls posting blog articles about this is bad and thats bad bla bla bla

but they have no clue what they've just read

if enough people continue to do that though it adds up and appears theres a big opposition, which i assume slows things down

AxeD wrote:I don't see how dropping moral values would increase the likelihood of curing diseases either tbh.
What are we talking about here?

m8son wrote: if we were allowed to test drugs on cloned humans we would have the cure to most diseases within the decade.

Agent 47 wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:

test recordings wrote:Yeah fair enough. They still have to justify what they're doing though, public funds or not. Open access should be a decent way to make it more accessible, the public have a right to know what they're paying for...

yeah but the public are retards and would just moan about shit cus the big words look scary

my dads best mate is a chemist and he said the main thing fucking up progression in those areas are idiots with no understanding of anything gettin up in arms over shit they have no clue about

(hippies)

Yeah, I agree. This is why I never worry about outbreaks like these. They are possible, but likely?

A fear of scientific progress is almost innate in humanity. It's why the story about Frankenstein is so influential and why Jurassic Park was a hit. People are afraid of the unknown and science is the unknown for most people. So when they see scientific results (such as goats producing spider webbing proteins in their milk) without understanding any of the steps that were taken from A to B, they freak out.

Apparently to most people, scientists are clever enough to change and progress technology, but too dumb to understand that letting a genetically engineered firebreating dragon loose in a populated city is a bad idea.

yeah thats what i dont get

why people are so adamant to not trust them, when they'll happy gobble up shit from some dumb blog or youtube video

i don't know much about science, admittedly, but cus of the stuff scientists have done, and continue to do, i put a fair amount of trust in them


mayb i iz just nieve doe

Yeah, agreed. Skepticism is healthy, I support that. But having strong opinions on things you know fuck-all about isn't. I really have no opinion on what scientists are doing since I don't know much about it anyway.

People don't care about positive scientific breakthroughs either, which too is understandable. People are desensitized to it since technology is moving so fast, and most of the breakthroughs aren't comprehensible to laymen either. So all they hear about is the occasional setback or mishap. Nevertheless, they enjoy the products of scientific advance daily, be it through new gadgets, new safety measures or advancements in healthcare. But that's in the abstract and not usually directly associated with science, so people overlook it.

m8son wrote:

AxeD wrote:I don't see how dropping moral values would increase the likelihood of curing diseases either tbh.
What are we talking about here?

m8son wrote: if we were allowed to test drugs on cloned humans we would have the cure to most diseases within the decade.

I agree, but creates a large grey area and could open some floodgates. It's not just a moral issue, but how morality could directly affect society. If we could clone humans with diminished brain activity where they would otherwise be fully developed to test healthcare advances on them, then we might have something, though.

Or instead of just burning foetuses in ovens we could just clone them before burning them. Then when we have no more use for the clones, we could burn them too. More people being burned and scientific breakthroughs. win/win.

yeah i deffo like that idea

more incineration > less imo

why go all the trouble to clone and farm humans(i assume we would need to somehow farm them into adulthood, or have them in camps or something, since afaik clones would take the same time as a regular human being to reach adulthood? or is a newborn baby clone as good as an adult clone as far as testing purposes go) when we can just farm illegal immigrants and test cures on them?

dfaultuzr wrote:why go all the trouble to clone and farm humans(i assume we would need to somehow farm them into adulthood, or have them in camps or something, since afaik clones would take the same time as a regular human being to reach adulthood? or is a newborn baby clone as good as an adult clone as far as testing purposes go) when we can just farm illegal immigrants and test cures on them?

Fine, for as long as the illegal immigrants are burned after we're done with them.

But I still believe we need to clone humans to have more people to burn. They don't even have to reach adulthood.

Oh right the clone people.

Science!

I read the title as "Viruses Escaping From Lads"

dubunked wrote:I read the title as "Viruses Escaping From Lads"

Sorry m8, my execution was a bit better

Genevieve wrote:The only virus I can see escaping from #lads is herpes.

Yes! Good idea guys lets just burn immigrants

On the reals though i have had quite in depth discussions about using human clones as lab rats with some of my lecturers and they seem quite up for it

m8son wrote:On the reals though i have had quite in depth discussions about using human clones as lab rats with some of my lecturers and they seem quite up for it

Well, what makes a fully human clone someone you can experiment on, but any other person not?

I suppose it would be a lot more traumatic for an average person who has lived an ordinary life to be taken from that life to be locked in a lab and experimented on .

Whereas a person that has been specially bred to lack emotions and therefore be less distressed and who knows no different than being in a lab and being tested on would be less traumatised.

m8son wrote:Whereas a person that has been specially bred to lack emotions and therefore be less distressed and who knows no different than being in a lab and being tested on would be less traumatised.

Like yourself, for example.

m8son wrote:I suppose it would be a lot more traumatic for an average person who has lived an ordinary life to be taken from that life to be locked in a lab and experimented on .

Whereas a person that has been specially bred to lack emotions and therefore be less distressed and who knows no different than being in a lab and being tested on would be less traumatised.

Well, cloning, or even creating humans from scratch, engineered to speed up the aging process and a physically altered brain with diminished cognitive abilities and awareness would be ok. But I doubt you can just 'raise the human out of humans'.

For example, babies deprived of touch will die. Emotional and physical wellbeing are co-dependent.