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Shonky wrote: She'd apparently done a similar thing on racism with the bizzies and the same message "you can hold these views, just don't voice them" was used there. I found it without doubt the most useless concept ever, knowing that there's probably loads of coppers with these views, whilst supposedly "protecting the public".

Ha!Here it's all about the "new,more compassionate" police forces,such as the LAPD and NYPD.It only means they will either brutally beat down one white person to "even the odds" or they will gun down one less minority per month.

Echo Wanderer wrote:

Emcee Child wrote:
I swear down the UK becomes more Orwellian everyday.

Shit man...the UK has had on-the-street CCTV since the mid-70's!

u know I'm from the uk right fam

Emcee Child wrote:

Echo Wanderer wrote:

Emcee Child wrote:
I swear down the UK becomes more Orwellian everyday.

Shit man...the UK has had on-the-street CCTV since the mid-70's!

u know I'm from the uk right fam

That's why I mention it mate!

I didn't even know that until I lived in the MCR!Sky One's version of "Cops" is hilarious!They did one in Manchester focusing on crimes at the Arndale in which a couple were shoplifting.The man was the distraction whilst his bird was shoving loads of crap into her abnormally large handbag.How did that turn out?The coppers drove over to thier house,knocked on the door,and politely asked them to come with to the station.When they questioned the implications,the police responded by saying,"Would you like to see the tape?".The boyfriend was stupid enough to run out the backside and onto a street with 3 live cameras.Not to mention a squad car!

Emcee Child wrote:

Shonky wrote:I think Civil Partnerships give pretty much the same rights as marriage, but they couldn't use the term marriage because of it's religious connotations and objections from church groups.

So.. couldn't this.. as per this new law.. be seen as discrimantory.

cos it's not the same thing.. and u dun have to get married in a church or even in a religious ceremony.. I didn't.

I don't think so, no. The CofE are saying that they won't conduct gay marriages in church because they don't view it as something God approves of, not actually suggesting that anyone attack or kill anyone else.

bun gays.. no offence any gay people.. im just not down with it... just like vegetarians arnt down with eating meat..

its a retarded law..

so is the law strictly for inciting violence against minorities?


if so, can we bun the cops?

Shonky wrote:

Future Producer wrote:I bet the banning of bashing Religions will be on the agenda next, it really wouldn't surprise me at all if something likes this follows suite when this gay thing comes in to play.

I thought the incitement to religious hatred laws had come in already. Seeing as quite a lot of religions have to view others as wrong or infidels as they have the one true god then I don't really see how it would work. Surely most religions are essentially intolerant of each other.

Sorry, what I mean is speaking negatively about other religions, if you have ever seen any of of the legendary Pat Condell videos on YouTube you'll know what I'm getting at.

Future Producer wrote: Sorry, what I mean is speaking negatively about other religions, if you have ever seen any of of the legendary Pat Condell videos on YouTube you'll know what I'm getting at.

As far as I can tell, speaking negatively about things is still allowed, it's just doing so in a way that 'incites violence' against them. And what counts as that depends a lot on context - eg if I'm a lone nutter ranting on a street corner then I can probably say a lot more than if I'm addressing a crowd at a NF rally or something. Also, dealing with things like this needs a bit of discretion, eg they could probably bang up a lot of the key players in Northern Ireland for incitement to religious hatred, but it'd do more harm than good since it'd completely fuck the peace process.

Anti terror laws are a whole other thing, though - the way they were used to harass climate protesters is fucking disgraceful.

Emcee Child wrote:

if so, can we bun the cops?

if bunnin cops is wrong, i don't want to be right

Fuck that gay law.

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!!!!

Now what you gonna do, English Justice System???

What about double entendre??? WHAT!

Yeah, thats what I thought.

thesynthesist wrote:Fuck that gay law.

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!!!!

Now what you gonna do, English Justice System???

What about double entendre??? WHAT!

Yeah, thats what I thought.

you go!

responsibility is needed, otherwise ppl will take the piss out of the system... but to be honest i have a gay relative and he cracks the silly gay jokes. just as long as its not horrible hatred to get ppl rallying and fighting.

Dutty Yuppie wrote:

feasible_weasel wrote:
but i can see this breeding alot of dangerous hidden hatred.

Clearly better than open hatred.

Not necessarily, as was said in previous posts, open hatred can be dealt with; people displaying open hatred for gay people can be (at least tried) to be talked out of using logic and debate. You can deconstruct their ideas until they either swap sides or choose not to listen

Hidden hatred festers inside and will erupt eventually; no one is with the hidden haters of gays to dissuade their views when they are sitting in their rooms scribbling "I hate gays" a million times in blood on their walls.

Got to disagree with this law, the point made earlier about, “by not saying something it confirms that what is being said is correct” is totally on point.

Fuck the cabinet. Fuck the UK. The thought police are imminent.

Julian Clary's going on lockdown.

incitement is the key here

you wanna talk about not liking gay people - fine

you wanna talk about kicking fuck out of em and leaving em for dead - not so fine IF you are co-ercing people

to draw comparisons....

when hook-handed abu hamza was ranting about how the uk is evil and the white man is your enemy - the govt couldnt touch him
when he started saying (to a group of followers) lets get all jihad and kill some fuckers - behind bars

when beenie man wants to mouth off about how gays are scum of the earth its not a problem, becomes a problem when he uses his status and influence to coerce fans into violence etc

to digress.... gay-bashers who go to prison and get homo-erotic to fulfil sexual needs. Hypocrisy of a very point and laugh nature!

As for the law (or should i say proposed law), noones saying you can't hold an opinion or disgree with anything. Its purly the type of people who can't put much of a reason into what they say who it will target. "Boom Bye Bye" is a pointless track promoting the killing of Homosexuals. This is the type of thing we should, as a society be aiming to push out. Constructive dicussion is great don't get me wrong, one sided arguments where people just agree, leads to apathy and silenced views.

I can't believe on a forum for a genre of music which most "outsiders" will denounce without a blink of an eye, we can effectivly do the same to a long standing sub-culture within our cities. I refer to the many threads regarding "hate" "skream is shit" or "Dubstep is shit".

feasible_weasel wrote:but to be honest i have a gay relative and he cracks the silly gay jokes.

" I'm not racist i have a black friend of a friend, who we drink with"

Don't be such a tool weas. I swear thats the second time today you've told us about your slightly queer cousin or somthing.

But what about laws protecting those who can't get sex off any gender and prefer to pause 'Ross Kemp On Gangs' late at night so they can pretend his head is a bellybuttonless midriff in order to feed their miserable hormonal harness its globulous game?

Corpsey wrote:But what about laws protecting those who can't get sex off any gender and prefer to pause 'Ross Kemp On Gangs' late at night so they can pretend his head is a bellybuttonless midriff in order to feed their miserable hormonal harness its globulous game?

i think people who do that are generally pretty safe anyways,
as they tend to be the type of people who stay indoors and watch Nigella Lawson cooking so they can wait for her to lick her lips and then press the pause button....

Chunkie wrote:

Corpsey wrote:But what about laws protecting those who can't get sex off any gender and prefer to pause 'Ross Kemp On Gangs' late at night so they can pretend his head is a bellybuttonless midriff in order to feed their miserable hormonal harness its globulous game?

i think people who do that are generally pretty safe anyways,
as they tend to be the type of people who stay indoors and watch Nigella Lawson cooking so they can wait for her to lick her lips and then press the pause button....

If the pause button still works that is

Chunkie wrote: when beenie man wants to mouth off about how gays are scum of the earth its not a problem, becomes a problem when he uses his status and influence to coerce fans into violence etc

And do you have viable proof that Beenie Man,Sizzla,Shabba Ranks,Elephant Man,Buju,or any other Reggae/Dancehall artist has physically stood there and directly orchestrated a public beating of a gay person?That I'd like to see before I can agree with that statement.

As I said,people do things of thier own free will.

And what about Rastafarians outside of JA?I have quite a few(and I do mean quite a few) Rastafarian friends who believe homosexuality is wrong,and none of them live in JA.Most have never even been to yard.But things are different here in the US.We have freedom of speech(supposedly),yet the Rastas here have to be made afraid to voice thier opinions,because it might be taken as some sort of "threat".

The sad part isn't the lyrical content of Reggae music,it's the censorship of it.As Reggae/Carribean influenced music is gaining mainstream popularity with the likes of Collie Budz,Rhianna,and Sean Paul among others,the mass populace isn't going to see the true messages behind it because it's all been whitewashed out by the pop medium.And then people go up in arms when they find out what's really being said!People took what they wanted from Reggae before,and they will again.Look at how cheapened Bob Marley's message became when Sublime came out.How can a 40oz. swilling heroin addict from Long Beach sit there and sing "Rivers Of Babylon" then go and OD??!!Heroin is Babylon!As if the neo-hippies didn't cheapen the message enough?Yet,for most of the youth,that's how they'd really ever first heard Reggae music.So they fail to hear the true message of the faith and doctrine.

The way I see it,if anyone has a problem with Reggae(or any variant of) condemning gay people,then maybe they shouldn't listen to it.In fact,maybe they shouldn't even get down to sampling it or incorporating its influence.Which of course means most Dubstep,Jungle/DnB,House,non-JA/Carribean Reggae,Ska,Dancehall,and Dub,as well as Hip Hop and a whole lot of Rock would be dropped into obscurity.