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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:10 pm
by mos dan
Shonky wrote:To be honest, a lot of what I consider to be negative impact has already been done, there's already a lot of producers taking the blueprint of old Skream and Coki tunes and coming into the scene with the idea that dubstep IS halfstep wobble and that to me is already reducing the possibilities that were there a few years back.
innit shonky, lol at people worrying that dubstep will start to become saturated with boring, derivative tunes at this stage.
quick, close that stable door!!!! 
if y'all are interested in the development/explosion of dubstep you need to read blackdown's post on tipping points:
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2 ... round.html
Baron_von_Carlton wrote:I think the whole Bassline/Niche scene is taking an awfull lot of heat from dubstep right now.It's far more accessible than Dubstep and the youth are definately vibing off it. Dubstep just ain't cheesey enough to hit the mass market.
the reason the youth like bassline is you can DANCE to it.
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:32 pm
by bob crunkhouse
Shonky wrote:"my tips are: 140bpm, write drumz at half speed, lots of reverb and delays, a nice phat sub and some wobble."
"145 BPM, write drums at half speed. 808 kicks, 909 claps and snares.
To get that classy sounding snare: Add some reverb, then distort the fuck of it, crush it, redux, whatever.
Wobbles, its all about LFO. A couple of detuned squares, low passed saws, play with the rate/speed parameter. Apply heavy reso, to give it more punch.
Subs, 808 kicks can give you great results, other wise 2 sines, distort them, eq. voila.
What else, loads of reggae samples, with f'kin lots of delay effects."
And my particular favourite
"my tips:
get stoned as possible
listen to the shittiest 2 step you can find
listen to some Dub Roots
write a halftime beat"
big tune
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:35 pm
by paulie
mos dan wrote:innit shonky, lol at people worrying that dubstep will start to become saturated with boring, derivative tunes at this stage.
quick, close that stable door!!!!
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:59 pm
by joni_speedbass
with burial though to me the fact that it is sit down and listen to music means that i couldnt care if journalists start claiming him as the next big thing cos the music itself is a lot more personal
Ashley wrote:Burial's music is not really rave music, but listening music. Something that can attract a wide audience from all different scenes and different ages.
i dont understand peoples attitudes of burial being a
"sit down and listen to" genre or thats its "not really rave music"
allthough i know everyones opinions are different and people have a right to thier own
burials work is very interesting but to just pass it off as "sit down and listen to" genre or thats its "not really rave music" is just ignorant
his sound can be very subtle or not as inyer face as some of the big wobblers eg. coki tracks like spongebob etc, with realy prodominat and obtrusive bass or precussion etc, but burials beats are so intricate n complex and the sub bass is amazing, i think the precussion style he uses is full of so much movement and energy its untrue
i saw komonazmuk vs white boy in leeds and a track off south london boroughs got played right at the end of there set - as soon as it dropped people started realizing it, dancing hard n looking at each other smileing in amazement, i loved it - infact i went nuts
i dont know if this is just me ??? but i have found that its not often i hear a burial track being played out at parties, infact im sure that was the only time iv heard a burial track played out in my life which is a shame
weird
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:00 pm
by minusdegree
Got my copy of untrue in the post this morning, breathtaking as it is I dont think it will unleash book of revelations style destruction on the dubstep scene. I agree with blackdown, dubstep wars was probabbly the biggest turning point.
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:28 pm
by fractal
Shonky wrote:
Face it, dubstep's a big boy now and needs to cut the apron strings
seriously, why are dubstep people so self conscious about its "scene"? sometimes it seems there's way too much intelectual chin stroking over dance music...
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:25 pm
by efa
hopper wrote:Corpsey wrote:I am worried that dubstep is going to become the way DNB is in the near future...
This is gonna happen, the pioneers are reaching superstar status and drawing bigger and bigger crowds. The tunes are getting louder and heavier and some are stuck to a rigid formular. This scene needs Burial to remind us of where the scene came from with the echoes of Garage and the possibilities for the progression that got us here. I dont think this album will change things in this respect.
Remember the punters lead the scene as much as the producers. If a full colour doublepack of bangers sells bucketloads more than something with depth then thats where we're headed. Producers need to make money so they can become self sufficiant and this is still a new scene with limited $, however Sales and Bookings Fees are rising by the day!
I agree after hearing about about what I think is the 1st beef in the DMZ that the media attention may be to blame for randoms in the dance but with all the hype around the scene thats bound to happen. I dunno what the solution is but I've positioned myself and will be pushing the deepage like Burial et al, whos with me?
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:51 pm
by corpsey
Keep thinking of this bit from Blackdown's interview with Mala and Loefah a while back...
L: Dubstep is a box now. It didn’t used to be a box, but it is now.
M: But that’s just natural because we put everything in boxes, man. But I just keep trying to fight that.
B: And as long as people keep doing that there’ll still be enough different spaces to grow into. It definitely needs to be pushed though.
L: I think it’s going to break. I think there’ll probably be a split somewhere along the line.
M: I don’t really see it as splits because even though you say there’s scene or whatever, everyone’s still doing their own thing.
L: Yeah but I can still see there being a definite shift in the music. But literally only in my crystal ball, it’s not like it’s definitely going to happen…
M: It’s natural.
L: I could see it splitting into two different things.
M: Just do your thing and enjoy your shit. Serious. Don’t worry about the rest of the world.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:07 pm
by badger
Corpsey wrote:M: Just do your thing and enjoy your shit. Serious. Don’t worry about the rest of the world.[/i]
so true. producers can produce what they want and its up to individual djs to either play it or not. even if a lot of the tunes getting made are dubstep by numbers theres always going to be some tunes being made for djs with a different kind of style to play
any attempt to artificially push the scene in a particular direction cant be a good thing so just let it happen. obviously if a split can be avoided that would be better but who knows whats going to happen?
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:28 pm
by boomting
i drifted away from dnb around time i first heard some old dmz/loefah/kode 9 tunes. i was attracted to the scene because of the energy and atmosphere at dances. i think "clownstep" is what we need to stay away from. Wherever clowns step, they are followed by a bunch of freshers munching down pills like smarties, getting all sweaty and taking there tshirts off. the day that its cool to be a dubstep "head" down the student union is imminent and we should be all be scared.
ps large up all students
pss lock up your daughters
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:52 pm
by ozols man
boomting wrote:i drifted away from dnb around time i first heard some old dmz/loefah/kode 9 tunes. i was attracted to the scene because of the energy and atmosphere at dances. i think "clownstep" is what we need to stay away from. Wherever clowns step, they are followed by a bunch of freshers munching down pills like smarties, getting all sweaty and taking there tshirts off. the day that its cool to be a dubstep "head" down the student union is imminent and we should be all be scared.
ps large up all students
pss lock up your daughters
this is the funniest post i read all day!
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:51 pm
by efa
Wherever clowns step, they are followed by a bunch of freshers munching down pills like smarties, getting all sweaty and taking there tshirts off. the day that its cool to be a dubstep "head" down the student union is imminent and we should be all be scared.
Seen this already mate, it aint nice!
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:17 pm
by rubin
Corpsey wrote:Keep thinking of this bit from Blackdown's interview with Mala and Loefah a while back...
L: Dubstep is a box now. It didn’t used to be a box, but it is now.
M: But that’s just natural because we put everything in boxes, man. But I just keep trying to fight that.
B: And as long as people keep doing that there’ll still be enough different spaces to grow into. It definitely needs to be pushed though.
L: I think it’s going to break. I think there’ll probably be a split somewhere along the line.
M: I don’t really see it as splits because even though you say there’s scene or whatever, everyone’s still doing their own thing.
L: Yeah but I can still see there being a definite shift in the music. But literally only in my crystal ball, it’s not like it’s definitely going to happen…
M: It’s natural.
L: I could see it splitting into two different things.
M: Just do your thing and enjoy your shit. Serious. Don’t worry about the rest of the world.
ok that's really fucking interesting to me... i've been thinking about this for some time.
i definitely feel a split coming too at some point. look what happened to hardcore and jungle back in 93/94... seems that it's gonna go the same way. hype wobble vs smoked half step. the light versus the dark.
we shall see.
good thread.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:25 pm
by Littlefoot
the moral of the story
stop making wobblas
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:29 pm
by westernsynthetics
pacomari wrote:Petty elitism in this thread.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:29 pm
by geoff
rubin wrote:Corpsey wrote:hype wobble vs smoked half step. the light versus the dark.
I would have thought they would be on the same side of the split to be honest??
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:29 pm
by Littlefoot
on Mala vs Loefah.
where can we read this for a start?
and also
I totally agree with both wierdly....
Mala is right that we need to push it
Loefah is right this might cause a scism
i think the thing is we have to make LOTS of new things, lots of people pushing it, so things cant be defined
I talked about about people making the divide between Wobbla/Hectic and Deep/Dark styles
this could kill the scene as we know it if nothing else
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:32 pm
by corpsey
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:49 pm
by westernsynthetics
commercialisation is inevitable...my thoughts concerning the Australian experience earlier in the year:
The state of Dubstep in Australia is such that only a small number of the population are active listeners of “Dubstep” music. Dubstep in Australia is confined mostly to the Internet, about 6 or 7 clubs throughout the country and independent radio in Melbourne, Sydney & Brisbane.
Dubstep is still in its infancy in Australia, although this is not to suggest that the Dubstep sound has not been active here since its inception by the “pioneers” of the sound in the UK.
Dubstep in Australia exists only in the form of producers, DJ’s and enthusiasts/punters. At the date of this blog there are very few legally trading labels putting out releases. However, there is a community of producers and DJ’s pushing their sounds aesthetically. Largely local and international audiences via the Internet experience these certain aesthetics.
Dubstep producers are recognised and played at parties and on Internet and pirate radio from Seattle to Texas, Antwerp to London and to cities and towns throughout Australia.
Currently there is no vocal mainstream music industry recognition of Dubstep artists. While recognition exists it is rarely materialised into releases or festival opportunities.
But is the Dubstep community in Australia and New Zealand really ultimately concerned with mainstream acclaim and recognition? I cannot answer.
Personally I am not interested in condoning attempts of Dubstep producers to strive for commercialisation and commidification of their sounds.
The Dubstep community in Australia does not require major investment due to its DIY nature and hence, debt from the Major labels or even the “Major Indies”. All the Dubstep community requires is more artists willing to extend the scope of the sound aesthetically with the help of enthusiastic grass roots organisational support.
Indeed Dubstep will be eventually be commodifed and commercialised under the current system of Capitalism because if Dubstep ever achieves a mainstream or even “Indie’ audience some artists will certainly fall into the hands of opportunistic investors.
In light of this inevitable reality I think that there is a suttle solidarity evident within the Dubstep community indicating that it is not concerned with notions of “bling” or “booty”. It is indeed concerned with the SOUND.
How vocal and tangible this solidarity becomes is yet to be seen.
Australian Dubstep should expect an advance by the mainstream to which some will be seduced. When this occurs is impossible to predict. It is never certain as to when A&R departments will achieve approval to “discover”.
Westernsynthetics 09/06/07
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:22 pm
by slothrop
westernsynthetics wrote:
But is the Dubstep community in Australia and New Zealand really ultimately concerned with mainstream acclaim and recognition? I cannot answer.
Personally I am not interested in condoning attempts of Dubstep producers to strive for commercialisation and commidification of their sounds.
To be honest, I don't think it's that directly related to commercialisation and commodification. Motown and Studio 1 were two big commercial commodifying operations and they came out with some fucking fantastic music, whereas you don't have to look too hard to find dance scenes that are resolutely underground and uncommercial and in it for the love not the money, but are as boring as hell.
To my mind it has a lot more to do with whether the audience want to hear something fresher, deeper, and crazier or just more of the same but a bit louder and with a different sample, or with which of those types of audience DJ's and producers are interested in playing for.