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Dubplate wrote:paying for music that isnt vynal is a crime

very true my brother

Sand Leaper wrote:Any person who really loves music will find the time to express their creativity, regardless of how many hours they have to put in at Tesco. It's about what you decide is important in your life and then planning accordingly. If a producer gives up making music because "he doesn't get the money he used to due to P2P", then I'd be highly sceptical of that producer's motivation for making music in the first place.

Deep Thought wrote:

Dubplate wrote:paying for music that isnt vynal is a crime

very true my brother

lol true around 30 years ago, wake the fuck up its 2007

How did dubstep get popular?

Surely not p2p

Sand Leaper wrote:

Chef wrote: When a load of good producers can't make good music no more because they've got to drive a bus 12 hours a day or work in Tesco for a living then it wont only be the soulseekers that loose out on potentially great music that never got made because the producer wasn't in a position to create it, but also the people who don't mind paying for good music.

Any person who really loves music will find the time to express their creativity, regardless of how many hours they have to put in at Tesco. It's about what you decide is important in your life and then planning accordingly. If a producer gives up making music because "he doesn't get the money he used to due to P2P", then I'd be highly sceptical of that producer's motivation for making music in the first place.

producers and record labels know whats good for them and their music

I'm willing to bet that there is a rather significant amount of producers, artists and DJs out there who have a thing or two to say about labels "knowing what's good for them and their music".

1. Ofcourse anyone who loves music will find time to do it, but 2 or 3 hours a week just isn't enough if you wanna be a serious producer, it's the same with any other creative art.

When your not getting paid enough to do it to full time and to your full ability then the music will suffer because you just aint got the time to make enough progress and make your art.

It's nothing to be sceptical about if producer x has overheads, a wife and a kid, living in a 2 bedroom council house where the walls are made out of plaster board.
How the hell is he meant to make music, mixdown etc at 1 am in the morning between shifts and waking up for a baby....
He cant really, he needs a studio, studio rental aint free, neither is software or hardware or the time to create the music.

Let's put it this way, if Skream was stacking shelves in Tesco or something he wouldn't have made Reqeust Line now would he, what's so hard to understand about that?

2. Obviously people get fucked over by labels around the world etc but i'm talking about the labels like DMZ, Disfigured Dubs, Deep Medi, Hyperdub, they know what's good for them..... I werent on about Sony BMG or whatever, that was weak.

how do u explain most artists making their best music before theyve made any real money then?

Just about every single artist makes their best music at the very start of their career.

Ther idea that you need make a living from music to be able to be any good at it is stupid.

The best producers Ive ever heard all have jobs.They couldnt make a living from their music.So stop talking so much rubbish.

Heres a good quote about the music industry for you...

"the industry just breeds a handful of musicians who comfortably earn a living and end up writing shite music, and millions of other musicians trying hard to get into a position of making a decent living for it end up making shite music"

Chef wrote: 1. Ofcourse anyone who loves music will find time to do it, but 2 or 3 hours a week just isn't enough if you wanna be a serious producer, it's the same with any other creative art.

When your not getting paid enough to do it to full time and to your full ability then the music will suffer because you just aint got the time to make enough progress and make your art.

It's nothing to be sceptical about if producer x has overheads, a wife and a kid, living in a 2 bedroom council house where the walls are made out of plaster board.
How the hell is he meant to make music, mixdown etc at 1 am in the morning between shifts and waking up for a baby....
He cant really, he needs a studio, studio rental aint free, neither is software or hardware or the time to create the music.

Let's put it this way, if Skream was stacking shelves in Tesco or something he wouldn't have made Reqeust Line now would he, what's so hard to understand about that?

Why couldn't Skream have made Midnight Request Line if he had to work as well to pay the bills? Is Midnight Request Line some magnum opus with several complex movements that took all his time to compose?

Neil Landstrumm has a job on the side to get by, yet his discog spans over 4 albums and several dozen 12"s. When it all comes down to it, money and time issues shouldn't mean squat if your heart is really in it. If anything, your music and your creativity will suffer when the pressure of having to make enough money with your next release is looming over your head.

2. Obviously people get fucked over by labels around the world etc but i'm talking about the labels like DMZ, Disfigured Dubs, Deep Medi, Hyperdub, they know what's good for them..... I werent on about Sony BMG or whatever, that was weak.

Of course, in the big dubstep family nobody gets fucked over. How could I forget.

Saxenhammer wrote:how do u explain most artists making their best music before theyve made any real money then?

Just about every single artist makes their best music at the very start of their career.

Ther idea that you need make a living from music to be able to be any good at it is stupid.

The best producers Ive ever heard all have jobs.They couldnt make a living from their music.So stop talking so much rubbish.

Heres a good quote about the music industry for you...

"the industry just breeds a handful of musicians who comfortably earn a living and end up writing shite music, and millions of other musicians trying hard to get into a position of making a decent living for it end up making shite music"

So Benga, Skream and Digital Mystikz should give up now... They aint got no more great ideas nah....

I aint the one chatting rubbish, it's quite simple to understand that if a producer can't afford to sustain there career and be the best than be because they have to waste time stacking shelfs when they could be spending that same time making beats obviously it affects the balance of output and creativity.

I'm not saying producers should be rich but they need to be able to pay the rent and computers require electricty, bodies require food and water.

If all the best producers you know have jobs then something obviously went wrong because they didn't get the chance make the most of their music carrer if the're really that good and still have to do other jobs.

Chef wrote:

So Benga, Skream and Digital Mystikz should give up now... They aint got no more great ideas nah....

I aint the one chatting rubbish, it's quite simple to understand that if a producer can't afford to sustain there career and be the best than be because they have to waste time stacking shelfs when they could be spending that same time making beats obviously it affects the balance of output and creativity.

I'm not saying producers should be rich but they need to be able to pay the rent and computers require electricty, bodies require food and water.

If all the best producers you know have jobs then something obviously went wrong because they didn't get the chance make the most of their music carrer if the're really that good and still have to do other jobs.

+10!! well said.

Sand Leaper wrote:

Chef wrote: 1. Ofcourse anyone who loves music will find time to do it, but 2 or 3 hours a week just isn't enough if you wanna be a serious producer, it's the same with any other creative art.

When your not getting paid enough to do it to full time and to your full ability then the music will suffer because you just aint got the time to make enough progress and make your art.

It's nothing to be sceptical about if producer x has overheads, a wife and a kid, living in a 2 bedroom council house where the walls are made out of plaster board.
How the hell is he meant to make music, mixdown etc at 1 am in the morning between shifts and waking up for a baby....
He cant really, he needs a studio, studio rental aint free, neither is software or hardware or the time to create the music.

Let's put it this way, if Skream was stacking shelves in Tesco or something he wouldn't have made Reqeust Line now would he, what's so hard to understand about that?

Why couldn't Skream have made Midnight Request Line if he had to work as well to pay the bills? Is Midnight Request Line some magnum opus with several complex movements that took all his time to compose?

Neil Landstrumm has a job on the side to get by, yet his discog spans over 4 albums and several dozen 12"s. When it all comes down to it, money and time issues shouldn't mean squat if your heart is really in it. If anything, your music and your creativity will suffer when the pressure of having to make enough money with your next release is looming over your head.

2. Obviously people get fucked over by labels around the world etc but i'm talking about the labels like DMZ, Disfigured Dubs, Deep Medi, Hyperdub, they know what's good for them..... I werent on about Sony BMG or whatever, that was weak.

Of course, in the big dubstep family nobody gets fucked over. How could I forget.

1. Your missing the point, no there wasn't no magnum opus for Reqeust Line to be made but if he was at Tesco at the time he made it then it would not have been made now would it.

Yeah Neil holds down a job, but don't you think if he didn't have to do the job and put all his energy in production that he might make even greater music, cant you see the link...

2. I can't account for every label in Dubstep but no one gets fucked over by them labels.


Until tomorrow..

Sand Leaper wrote:

Chef wrote: 1. Ofcourse anyone who loves music will find time to do it, but 2 or 3 hours a week just isn't enough if you wanna be a serious producer, it's the same with any other creative art.

When your not getting paid enough to do it to full time and to your full ability then the music will suffer because you just aint got the time to make enough progress and make your art.

It's nothing to be sceptical about if producer x has overheads, a wife and a kid, living in a 2 bedroom council house where the walls are made out of plaster board.
How the hell is he meant to make music, mixdown etc at 1 am in the morning between shifts and waking up for a baby....
He cant really, he needs a studio, studio rental aint free, neither is software or hardware or the time to create the music.

Let's put it this way, if Skream was stacking shelves in Tesco or something he wouldn't have made Reqeust Line now would he, what's so hard to understand about that?

Why couldn't Skream have made Midnight Request Line if he had to work as well to pay the bills? Is Midnight Request Line some magnum opus with several complex movements that took all his time to compose?

Neil Landstrumm has a job on the side to get by, yet his discog spans over 4 albums and several dozen 12"s. When it all comes down to it, money and time issues shouldn't mean squat if your heart is really in it. If anything, your music and your creativity will suffer when the pressure of having to make enough money with your next release is looming over your head.

2. Obviously people get fucked over by labels around the world etc but i'm talking about the labels like DMZ, Disfigured Dubs, Deep Medi, Hyperdub, they know what's good for them..... I werent on about Sony BMG or whatever, that was weak.

Of course, in the big dubstep family nobody gets fucked over. How could I forget.

Id like to put this entire post in my signature...especially the last line.Excellently delivered

Chef wrote:plus there's a difference between downloading artists such as 50 cent and someone who sell's 500 units.

i'm just throwing my observation in here.

i've actually been thinking about this exact thing lately... (quote above from chef). I'm the type of person that always looked forward to going to record/cd stores on Tuesdays to check out the new releases... and at even some of the bigger chain record stores you were able to find new releases from a variety of independent labels and artists.... even if it was only 1 or 2 copies on the shelf.

However, because the industry as a whole has been doing so poorly with physical sales over the last few years (and mp3 sales barely make up for the loss according to sales figures).... i find that when i go into stores and look for things that a store would typically carry 4 or 5 years ago... now it's nowhere to be found.

I'm taking chef's above quote out of context a little and i do agree with his statement that it's different sharing music from someone who sells 500 copies versus someone who still sells 200,000 or more in 2007.... but because 50 cent doesn't sell 5 million copies of an album which 5 years ago would have sold that many... it does effect the overall store content. They have to cut corners and they do so with the indies first. I guess that's why I buy more things through mailorder now. But....... out to all the independent record stores stocking good music!

I hear ya, I grew up around record shops.

There aint as many nowadays....

Chef wrote:

Until tomorrow..

thought u were off to bed lol

Waiting for a lift home.. For which I pay rent and don't have internet at the mo...

Chef wrote: 1. Your missing the point, no there wasn't no magnum opus for Reqeust Line to be made but if he was at Tesco at the time he made it then it would not have been made now would it.

I think you're gonna have trouble proving that you can't make a tune like Midnight Request Line unless you're a fulltime producer.

Yeah Neil holds down a job, but don't you think if he didn't have to do the job and put all his energy in production that he might make even greater music, cant you see the link...

Actually, I think his music would've been a lot worse for it, as he would have to conform his creativity and ideas to something that works better with the masses in order to keep it up. In fact, I know many producers who hold down jobs on purpose because of this, as they don't want to compromise their style to stay afloat financially.

Of course, if you're judging a producer's merit by his popularity, this is a moot point.

seckle wrote:

Chef wrote:

So Benga, Skream and Digital Mystikz should give up now... They aint got no more great ideas nah....

I aint the one chatting rubbish, it's quite simple to understand that if a producer can't afford to sustain there career and be the best than be because they have to waste time stacking shelfs when they could be spending that same time making beats obviously it affects the balance of output and creativity.

I'm not saying producers should be rich but they need to be able to pay the rent and computers require electricty, bodies require food and water.

If all the best producers you know have jobs then something obviously went wrong because they didn't get the chance make the most of their music carrer if the're really that good and still have to do other jobs.

+10!! well said.

+10 +10

Sand Leaper wrote:

Chef wrote: 1. Your missing the point, no there wasn't no magnum opus for Reqeust Line to be made but if he was at Tesco at the time he made it then it would not have been made now would it.

I think you're gonna have trouble proving that you can't make a tune like Midnight Request Line unless you're a fulltime producer.

Yeah Neil holds down a job, but don't you think if he didn't have to do the job and put all his energy in production that he might make even greater music, cant you see the link...

Actually, I think his music would've been a lot worse for it, as he would have to conform his creativity and ideas to something that works better with the masses in order to keep it up. In fact, I know many producers who hold down jobs on purpose because of this, as they don't want to compromise their style to stay afloat financially.

Of course, if you're judging a producer's merit by his popularity, this is a moot point.

1. I'm not getting at that you need to be a fulltime producer to create a ''request line'' but that by having the freedom to concentrate on making beats it will lead to more ''request lines'' from that producer.

2. As for people like Neil, isn't it the opposite as he has less time to be creative and would tend to stick more mass appealing music to keep up as you say? Not saying he does that btw

Who are the producers that you know who would prefer to work 9 til 5 rather than be in their home studio making music.

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Sand Leaper wrote:

Chef wrote: 1. Your missing the point, no there wasn't no magnum opus for Reqeust Line to be made but if he was at Tesco at the time he made it then it would not have been made now would it.

I think you're gonna have trouble proving that you can't make a tune like Midnight Request Line unless you're a fulltime producer.

Yeah Neil holds down a job, but don't you think if he didn't have to do the job and put all his energy in production that he might make even greater music, cant you see the link...

Actually, I think his music would've been a lot worse for it, as he would have to conform his creativity and ideas to something that works better with the masses in order to keep it up. In fact, I know many producers who hold down jobs on purpose because of this, as they don't want to compromise their style to stay afloat financially.

Of course, if you're judging a producer's merit by his popularity, this is a moot point.

I doubt very much that the tune in question.. Fucking Nutter was made for the masses.