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				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:05 pm
				by DJoe
				
There remains a persistent widespread attempt to render the movement in Baltimore into something morally digestible for white audiences
That is, to translate it into something that can be articulated in white terms (or else condemn it)
(I'm using "white" here as both as a marker of white supremacy and a placeholder for a putatively "universal" or "neutral" perspective)
This is the case whether the perspective is a liberal one ("we need to invest in communities!") a Marxist one ("the workers have risen!")
Or indeed an anarchist one ("smash the state!") and/ or a post-political one ("a movement without demands!")
The worry is that in these acts of appropriation, the specificity of anti-black oppression and the resistance to that oppression is obscured
I get the desire to do this, in a context where Baltimore is dismissed as "violent" and Gray's death swept aside cos of "criminality"
But let's not forget that these terms - "non-violence" and "innocence" - are set and defined by whiteness
Like what does it mean to publish Freddie Gray's rap sheet? Is it something to disavow? Or does it actually tell us something important?
Specifically what does it tell us about a state that classifies 1/3 of black males inhabitants as "criminal"?
my mates a lecturer at sussex uni, tweeted this
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:15 pm
				by DrGatineau
				dansci wrote:It's a societal problem that can only be solved by the people in the ghetto.
No chance in hell. It would only ever be solved from the outside. The outside has ignored these communities since forever and this is the result
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:36 pm
				by ehbes
				mason666 wrote:ehbes wrote:tired of seeing stuffy white people cover this like they understand the struggle of minorities. I get so enraged when they say shit like "They should just peacefully demonstrate like MLK" 

 
Looòooooooooooooooool and you do understand the struggle?
 
did I ever say I did? no, and nor do I claim to. Read what I actually say and not that you want me to say
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:41 pm
				by soronery
				ehbes wrote:mason666 wrote:ehbes wrote:tired of seeing stuffy white people cover this like they understand the struggle of minorities. I get so enraged when they say shit like "They should just peacefully demonstrate like MLK" 

 
Looòooooooooooooooool and you do understand the struggle?
 
did I ever say I did? no, and nor do I claim to. Read what I actually say and not that you want me to say
 
Someone's triggered...
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:43 pm
				by ehbes
				yeah, im part of the itchy trigga finga niqqa's.
OGLemon wrote:For a social revolution to be successful it must be global and popular. 
found the Trot! 

 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:49 pm
				by mason666
				lol yh but your speaking as if you understand their struggle, in fact most of the posts in this thread are people 'understanding the struggle' from their throne of white middle class land
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:51 pm
				by ehbes
				No one is say they understand their struggle, the post in this thread are looking at the causes and the systemic issues.
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:53 pm
				by mason666
				my point exactly
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:58 pm
				by ehbes
				So in your mind I have to be a poor black person before I can look at the causes and effects? That makes absolutely 0 sense
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:59 pm
				by mason666
				yep
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:02 pm
				by mason666
				u made the point in the first place
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:05 pm
				by ehbes
				You are functionally retarded
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:06 pm
				by ehbes
				By that logic, you should have to be a poor immigrant to Britain before you can vote to kick yourself out
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:06 pm
				by wilson
				ehbes wrote:So in your mind I have to be a poor black person before I can look at the causes and effects?
mason666 wrote:yep
What the shitting fuck  
  
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:08 pm
				by mason666
				ehbes wrote:You are functionally retarded
at least im not poor and in baltimore
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:11 pm
				by ultraspatial
				the answer is guns imho. give people a proper chance to defend themselves
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:13 pm
				by ehbes
				It's funny how the right to bear arms only applies to white people who like to hunt.
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:07 pm
				by wilson
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:56 pm
				by Phigure
				ultraspatial wrote:the answer is guns imho. give people a proper chance to defend themselves
yes, great idea, lets stop the systematic murder of unarmed black men by giving police yet another justification to shoot
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Baltimore and the death of Freddie Gray
				Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:57 pm
				by orangeluva56
				so are we gonna have riots every 5-6 months now or what