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Shonky wrote:

ozols man wrote:a good few of the top djs think they r heavy

In what way? Most of the dj's I've met through Streamizm have been really sound, down to earth people.

u obviously havent delved into the darker side of the scene where champagne, drugs and prostitutes are rife

ozols man wrote:

Shonky wrote:

ozols man wrote:a good few of the top djs think they r heavy

In what way? Most of the dj's I've met through Streamizm have been really sound, down to earth people.

u obviously havent delved into the darker side of the scene where champagne, drugs and prostitutes are rife

That sounds like fun. Mind you where money goes, coke usually follows and that's never made for modest pronouncements on one's abilities.

luke.envoy wrote:the scene is good
if you see gaps, fill em in

seconded! im loving the variety in the sound atm!

robotic wrote:

Ashley wrote:2008 will surely bring [...] another one or two tracks that cross the borders into different genres.

one or two tracks??! cross borders?? and there i thought the nice thing about dubstep was that there is no formula... no borders...

There isnt a formula, but you have tunes like Night which are being hammered by all different DJ's in all different genres.

"The only thing you need is a decent sub bass foundation, and in an ideal word anything sits ontop of that" ~ Kode9

How can you even mention that word about formula etc when you got tunes like Distance V at one end and Rusko 2 NAQ at the other and stuff like spongebob drifting around somewhere in the middle.

The only thing these tunes have in common is that they are fucking sick. Thats the only formula.

Ashley wrote:How can you even mention that word about formula etc when you got tunes like Distance V at one end and Rusko 2 NAQ at the other and stuff like spongebob drifting around somewhere in the middle.

Distance - dark, moody minimal

Rusko - reggae, influenced wobblers

Spongebob - bit of an anomaly

The first two I'd say do represent the majority of dubstep at the moment. I know there's other stuff around, but without doubt most recent releases have been one or other of those. That's why I said it's getting formulaic.

Have u listened to what Tes la rok is releasing at the moment? There none of what you just said, neither Vex'd, Skream, Benga, Caspa the list goes on.are notling into the wobble or minimal dark step category you are talking about the influences are coming from everywhere, seriously take a listen to things forthcoming on bengas album, take a look at pinch's album, anything Vex'd are doing. Its not formulaic, its a progression from what was being created 2001-2002 time, and thats what i love about dubstep fine the wobble took over a bit this year and some of last, but that is a progression, not a formula.

look at what skream has done with skreamizm 4 compare tek-a-pill and oskillatar, or wobble that gut and 2-D its a really varried EP it will sound more modern because of how production has advanced but i think the beats easily over take the bass. Im not in maddly into bass, or wobble, or dark minimal either im just into the fact that dubstep is moving so well. When you go to a dubstep night, there isnt any beef, theres no egos its just a pure dance, dj, soundsytem, people.

Same with the produces big or small, just the thirst to make beeps, sounds, noises or whateva you want to call them in different ways to keep pushing each other. I dont think anyones scarred about it becoming a 'scene' or 'formulaic' because its all about the vibe, and until i walk in a dubstep night and theres no energy, that is when i might loose faith, but right now dubstep is more alive than ever.

steppa wrote:Have u listened to what Tes la rok is releasing at the moment? There none of what you just said, neither Vex'd, Skream, Benga, Caspa the list goes on.are notling into the wobble or minimal dark step category you are talking about the influences are coming from everywhere, seriously take a listen to things forthcoming on bengas album, take a look at pinch's album, anything Vex'd are doing. Its not formulaic, its a progression from what was being created 2001-2002 time, and thats what i love about dubstep fine the wobble took over a bit this year and some of last, but that is a progression, not a formula.

look at what skream has done with skreamizm 4 compare tek-a-pill and oskillatar, or wobble that gut and 2-D its a really varried EP it will sound more modern because of how production has advanced but i think the beats easily over take the bass. Im not in maddly into bass, or wobble, or dark minimal either im just into the fact that dubstep is moving so well. When you go to a dubstep night, there isnt any beef, theres no egos its just a pure dance, dj, soundsytem, people.

Same with the produces big or small, just the thirst to make beeps, sounds, noises or whateva you want to call them in different ways to keep pushing each other. I dont think anyones scarred about it becoming a 'scene' or 'formulaic' because its all about the vibe, and until i walk in a dubstep night and theres no energy, that is when i might loose faith, but right now dubstep is more alive than ever.

Give this person a trophy - all spot on.
Too much intellectualisation and at the same time inane irrelevance on this forum is the only unhappy thing about dubstep at the moment IMO.

steppa wrote: right now dubstep is more alive than ever.

yes! and the futures lookin good!

Exactly what I was saying Corpsal
Protocol X, S&D and people like Vex'd ... Built for boundaries etc

steppa wrote:Have u listened to what Tes la rok is releasing at the moment? There none of what you just said, neither Vex'd, Skream, Benga, Caspa the list goes on.are notling into the wobble or minimal dark step category you are talking about the influences are coming from everywhere, seriously take a listen to things forthcoming on bengas album, take a look at pinch's album, anything Vex'd are doing. Its not formulaic, its a progression from what was being created 2001-2002 time, and thats what i love about dubstep fine the wobble took over a bit this year and some of last, but that is a progression, not a formula.

Argue away but it's my opinion a lot of dubstep sounds formulaic. It isn't yours. Both are valid. Not trying to change your thoughts on it, just voicing mine. I do think two of the people you've included as examples of it not being formulaic are quite hilarious to me though.

Shonky wrote:

steppa wrote:Have u listened to what Tes la rok is releasing at the moment? There none of what you just said, neither Vex'd, Skream, Benga, Caspa the list goes on.are notling into the wobble or minimal dark step category you are talking about the influences are coming from everywhere, seriously take a listen to things forthcoming on bengas album, take a look at pinch's album, anything Vex'd are doing. Its not formulaic, its a progression from what was being created 2001-2002 time, and thats what i love about dubstep fine the wobble took over a bit this year and some of last, but that is a progression, not a formula.

Argue away but it's my opinion a lot of dubstep sounds formulaic. It isn't yours. Both are valid. Not trying to change your thoughts on it, just voicing mine. I do think two of the people you've included as examples of it not being formulaic are quite hilarious to me though.

i think youve over stepped the line shonky

ozols man wrote:

Shonky wrote:

steppa wrote:Have u listened to what Tes la rok is releasing at the moment? There none of what you just said, neither Vex'd, Skream, Benga, Caspa the list goes on.are notling into the wobble or minimal dark step category you are talking about the influences are coming from everywhere, seriously take a listen to things forthcoming on bengas album, take a look at pinch's album, anything Vex'd are doing. Its not formulaic, its a progression from what was being created 2001-2002 time, and thats what i love about dubstep fine the wobble took over a bit this year and some of last, but that is a progression, not a formula.

Argue away but it's my opinion a lot of dubstep sounds formulaic. It isn't yours. Both are valid. Not trying to change your thoughts on it, just voicing mine. I do think two of the people you've included as examples of it not being formulaic are quite hilarious to me though.

i think youve over stepped the line shonky

I'm a habitual line-stepper, what can I say

Shonky wrote:

Ashley wrote:How can you even mention that word about formula etc when you got tunes like Distance V at one end and Rusko 2 NAQ at the other and stuff like spongebob drifting around somewhere in the middle.

Distance - dark, moody minimal

Rusko - reggae, influenced wobblers

Spongebob - bit of an anomaly

The first two I'd say do represent the majority of dubstep at the moment. I know there's other stuff around, but without doubt most recent releases have been one or other of those. That's why I said it's getting formulaic.

Now THATS being formularic. Breaking it down into three simple categories isnt what it needs. Rusko 2NAQ has a insy tinsy bit of dub and you can only hear it if you listen closely because everything else is just a mad rush of fucked up sick sounding energy.

Distance being dark and moody, maybe, I actually found No Sunshine quite happy.

But then how would you personally classify Skream? He produces clean sound with stuff like Dutch Flowers being soft and smooth and then you got a monster Guru which just sounds angry.

And you have Caspa, born to do it and cockney violins and then you have nutters like Custard Chucker.

Spongebob cant be an anomaly, especially when a whole barrage of other tunes have a "wobble" and Road Rage came along not too long after.

You cant define people to one style, and the scene is definately not formularic.

Shonky wrote:

ozols man wrote:a good few of the top djs think they r heavy

In what way? Most of the dj's I've met through Streamizm have been really sound, down to earth people.

ive not met one dubstep dj that's a tnuc tbh.. let me continue reading on..

What about that tnuc Oneman? He kicked my infant child down some stairs last time I sawed him he did.

Just because I paid him to do it doesn't make it right.

Just to make this post at all relevant- I hope Spongebob is an anomaly, because it would be a shame if that sound got rinsed out by every producer under the sun following its success.

*Grand* wrote:

Shonky wrote:

ozols man wrote:a good few of the top djs think they r heavy

In what way? Most of the dj's I've met through Streamizm have been really sound, down to earth people.

ive not met one dubstep dj that's a tnuc tbh.. let me continue reading on..

to be fair though, being a fan is one thing. however, if ur a producer in the scene like any other scene im sure, its a whole different ball game.

Corpsey wrote:What about that tnuc Oneman? He kicked my infant child down some stairs last time I sawed him he did.

Just because I paid him to do it doesn't make it right.

Just to make this post at all relevant- I hope Spongebob is an anomaly, because it would be a shame if that sound got rinsed out by every producer under the sun following its success.

On a purely selfish DJ level, that stuff isnt really that interesting to mix with either...

I'm personally really happy with whats going on at the moment. You do obviously get generic and boring sounding stuff, but then you also get martyn, kode 9 and reso....

Shonky wrote:

steppa wrote:Have u listened to what Tes la rok is releasing at the moment? There none of what you just said, neither Vex'd, Skream, Benga, Caspa the list goes on.are notling into the wobble or minimal dark step category you are talking about the influences are coming from everywhere, seriously take a listen to things forthcoming on bengas album, take a look at pinch's album, anything Vex'd are doing. Its not formulaic, its a progression from what was being created 2001-2002 time, and thats what i love about dubstep fine the wobble took over a bit this year and some of last, but that is a progression, not a formula.

Argue away but it's my opinion a lot of dubstep sounds formulaic. It isn't yours. Both are valid. Not trying to change your thoughts on it, just voicing mine. I do think two of the people you've included as examples of it not being formulaic are quite hilarious to me though.

It needs to be formulaic in some aspects otherwise it becomes shapeless and indefinable by genre...that is the nature of a defined style; and it follows that any defined style must have room to accommodate personal style, which is where staleness and cliche can be averted.

There is good, there is bad and there is mediocre...and there needs to be a template that defines the style that they operate in.

Kode9 provided the template which someone else quoted earlier.
That is all.

yeh i got bit far into that, completely agree with XOR.

I love dubstep, over and out[/quote]