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Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:07 pm**

my question is: how can there be so many threads like these? if they keep going, the djs can't be giving dubstep fans what they want.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:09 pm**

Blackdown wrote:my question is: how can there be so many threads like these? if they keep going, the djs can't be giving dubstep fans what they want.

i think more often than not its the producers not giving what the fans want, but certain DJ's playing a generic banger based set is also a factor

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:13 pm**

*Grand* wrote:i guess i got to keep my eyes open for the new sound.

keep yours eyes peeled and your ears close to the ground.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:17 pm**

tronman wrote:i played a show last month purely of these types of tunes..
one of the only shows ive done which is almost all dubstep
its in the mixes section i think the mix is dated 16/12/07

http://www.sendspace.com/file/r2plbv

Prince Fatty ft Georgia Ann Muldrow - Milk & Honey [Mr Bongo]

Digital Mystikz - Thief In The Night [Soul Jazz]
Skream - Lose Control [Tempa]
Martyn - Broken [DAT Recordings]
Digital Mystikz - Give Jah Glory [Tempa]
D1 - Golden Bullet [Road]
Scuba - Plate [Hotflush]
Mala - Lean Forward [DMZ]
Kode 9 - 9 Samurai [hyperdub]*
Distance - Saints 'n' Sinners [BOKA]
Burial - Broken Home [hyperdub]
Loefah - Encona [dubplate]
D1 - Instep [Tempa]
Mala - Alicia [White]
Lohan - Mosquito Coast [Storming?]
Coki - Madhead [Ringo]
Skream - I (Loefah Remix) [Tempa]
Skream - Make Me [Tempa]*
Mala - Forgive [Deep Medi]
Groove Chronicles - Stone Cold [White]
Hijak - Retro [White]
Skream - Request Line (Mala Remix) [Tempa]
The Bug ft Flowdan & Killa P - Skeng [hyperdub]*
Loefah & Skream - 28g [Tectonic]
Burial - Distant Lights (Kode 9 Remix) [hyperdub]
Loefah - Goat Stare [DMZ]
D1 - Trial Run [Tempa]
Mala - Changes [Deep Medi]
Pressure - Money Honey (Remix) [hyperdub]
Digital Mystikz - Molten [Tectonic]
Digital Mystikz - Anti-War Dub [DMZ]
Skream - Glamma [Tempa]
Loefah - Mud [DMZ]
Digital Mystikz - Da Wrath (Souljahz VIP) [DMZ]*
Skream - Hag [Tempa]
Digital Mystikz - Misty Winter [Soul Jazz]
Burial - South London Boroughs [hyperdub]
Scuba - Harpoon [Scuba]
Distance - Fallen [BOKA]
Search & Destroy - Candyfloss [Hotflush]
Toastyboy - One Life [Clandestine]*
Digital Mystikz - Neverland [DMZ]
Benga - Electro Music [Tempa]
SIA - Little Man (Exemen Remix) [Long Lost Brother]*
The Great Gatsby - Inner City Blues (Dub Mix) [Large Joints]
El-B - ? (El-Breaks Vol. 2) [White]
El-B & J Da Flex - When I Fall In Love [777]

oney smashing the place to bits.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:17 pm**

I reckon all thats happened is that the scene has diversified. It used to all be about heavy but ethereal basslines and eerie as hell or beautiful treble. I fuckin love that aspect man but I loves the tunes that are being built for the floor and see them as just as innovative. In a climate where geiom and pinch's album works as well as all of coki's new stuff, caspa and rusko and that I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE MUSIC. Big Up all the producers doing there thing

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:45 pm**

tronman wrote:i played a show last month purely of these types of tunes..
one of the only shows ive done which is almost all dubstep
its in the mixes section i think the mix is dated 16/12/07

http://www.sendspace.com/file/r2plbv

Prince Fatty ft Georgia Ann Muldrow - Milk & Honey [Mr Bongo]

Digital Mystikz - Thief In The Night [Soul Jazz]
Skream - Lose Control [Tempa]
Martyn - Broken [DAT Recordings]
Digital Mystikz - Give Jah Glory [Tempa]
D1 - Golden Bullet [Road]
Scuba - Plate [Hotflush]
Mala - Lean Forward [DMZ]
Kode 9 - 9 Samurai [hyperdub]*
Distance - Saints 'n' Sinners [BOKA]
Burial - Broken Home [hyperdub]
Loefah - Encona [dubplate]
D1 - Instep [Tempa]
Mala - Alicia [White]
Lohan - Mosquito Coast [Storming?]
Coki - Madhead [Ringo]
Skream - I (Loefah Remix) [Tempa]
Skream - Make Me [Tempa]*
Mala - Forgive [Deep Medi]
Groove Chronicles - Stone Cold [White]
Hijak - Retro [White]
Skream - Request Line (Mala Remix) [Tempa]
The Bug ft Flowdan & Killa P - Skeng [hyperdub]*
Loefah & Skream - 28g [Tectonic]
Burial - Distant Lights (Kode 9 Remix) [hyperdub]
Loefah - Goat Stare [DMZ]
D1 - Trial Run [Tempa]
Mala - Changes [Deep Medi]
Pressure - Money Honey (Remix) [hyperdub]
Digital Mystikz - Molten [Tectonic]
Digital Mystikz - Anti-War Dub [DMZ]
Skream - Glamma [Tempa]
Loefah - Mud [DMZ]
Digital Mystikz - Da Wrath (Souljahz VIP) [DMZ]*
Skream - Hag [Tempa]
Digital Mystikz - Misty Winter [Soul Jazz]
Burial - South London Boroughs [hyperdub]
Scuba - Harpoon [Scuba]
Distance - Fallen [BOKA]
Search & Destroy - Candyfloss [Hotflush]
Toastyboy - One Life [Clandestine]*
Digital Mystikz - Neverland [DMZ]
Benga - Electro Music [Tempa]
SIA - Little Man (Exemen Remix) [Long Lost Brother]*
The Great Gatsby - Inner City Blues (Dub Mix) [Large Joints]
El-B - ? (El-Breaks Vol. 2) [White]
El-B & J Da Flex - When I Fall In Love [777]

oneeeeeeey BIG mix!! lean forward into 9 samurai was sick

thats about as far as i've got, absolutely genie arse

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:03 pm**

Completely on point Grand.

I was getting seriously disillusioned last year. Felt really disappointed
with the direction things were heading in the clubs.

On the flipside, as far as releases went, while I think last year lacked the previous couple's element of shock and surprise, the quality of music and production, particularly at the deeper end of the spectrum, was ridiculously high. And a shed load of promising new talent coming through. Problem was they just weren't being represented in the clubs. And when they were, as you say, it was by the minority already mentioned.

Saying all that, the Big Apple party, Box of Dub and the last DMZ put the grin right back on my face. Mala and Coki at Big Apple played
the deepest set I've heard in ages. Proper deep medi, eyes closed business - as it used to be. I thought AntiSocial at DMZ were fresh as fuck, and Kode 9 at Box of Dub (and the last few times I've seen him) was next level.

Anyways, for me, the problem's not on the production side. The tunes and the producers are out there... waiting patiently. It's just down to the DJs and promoters to get braver and start repping them. Bring back some deepness. Please.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:08 pm**

spender wrote: Anyways, for me, the problem's not on the production side. The tunes and the producers are out there... waiting patiently. It's just down to the DJs and promoters to get braver and start repping them. Bring back some deepness. Please.

There are promoters out there doing it. and I think there are signs that it's creeping into the bigger nights.
There''s been a few big FWD line-ups recently, for example - the line-up for the 18th is heavy. Plus the new Bristol showcases should be dope.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:10 pm**

Ed G wrote:
spender wrote: Anyways, for me, the problem's not on the production side. The tunes and the producers are out there... waiting patiently. It's just down to the DJs and promoters to get braver and start repping them. Bring back some deepness. Please.

There are promoters out there doing it. and I think there are signs that it's creeping into the bigger nights.
There''s been a few big FWD line-ups recently, for example - the line-up for the 18th is heavy. Plus the new Bristol showcases should be dope.

Sounds like there's an underground within dubstep - shows how big it's become.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:32 pm**

hopper wrote:yeah agree with seckle on here. I think the best mix I've heard in ages has to be that Shackleton mix on mary anne hobbs. That's a journey that completely grabs you and doesn't really let go. I think there's a lot of good stuff along this vibe coming out of bristol at the moment through pinch, peverelist and headhunter

any chance of a link to this pretty please?

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:36 pm**

Jubscarz wrote:...an understated swagger that only comes from the knowledge that the producer hasn't got to satisfy the taste of an audience; only their own, hell they hardly had an audience at all at the time..

yeh man feelin that.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:04 pm**

Jubscarz wrote:...there is no point looking back to try and recapture the zeitgeist, move forward and create your own.

nail on head

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:27 pm**

hate to say it, but after months of finding only a handful new releases i like i'm being driven to..

a)get more serious about creating my own
b)buy techno again

i've missed a lot of good techno releases over the last two years.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:38 pm**

I do think that the production thing has rather taken over. I always thought the earlier tunes had better musical ideas even if they weren't using mad-morphing switches every five seconds (which never compensates for a dull tune). Listen to Mala's tunes, the production's very much secondary to building the mood, rhythms and harmonies.

As I always find, the things of least interest to me are usually the ones that gain mass appeal. I'm more interested in production as a means to an end and listening to loads of old jungle, garage and hardcore lately made me realise how interesting music is when it's fresh. Loads of the sounds used are naff as fuck but there was an abandon and an esplosion into uncharted territory that couldn't be captured later once an understanding of the genres restrictions appeared.

Dubstep's 7,8, possibly older now, so the honeymoon period is well and truly over.

To be honest though I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, because as it gets to be a popular influence, it'll just reappear in a different format with a diferent genre name somewhere else because the history of underground dance is people moving the vibe to the next sound when the old one starts to stagnate. The bits that worked can be used, the rest discarded (as happened with dubstep and every other dance genre ever).

If you're getting bored, go out and listen to some other music, see which bits you like and set up your own night with the dj's you want playing that music. Nice bit of cross-pollination of different styles and people could breed some interesting results. If I had the time and the money I probably would do it myself. I do think one night of any genre isn't that interesting, no matter how varied the scope might be.

Posted: **Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:54 pm**

Fractal wrote:
Jubscarz wrote:...there is no point looking back to try and recapture the zeitgeist, move forward and create your own.
nail on head

But that's exactly what will happen when new producers come along and start looking at dubstep as a genre with a history - they'll pick out the good bits and use them for inspiration and to reconfigure into new shapes.

Music is more cyclical than it is linear...it's the inspirational reconfiguring of what went before that creates a zeitgeist.

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:20 am**

XOR wrote:
Fractal wrote:
Jubscarz wrote:...there is no point looking back to try and recapture the zeitgeist, move forward and create your own.
nail on head
But that's exactly what will happen when new producers come along and start looking at dubstep as a genre with a history - they'll pick out the good bits and use them for inspiration and to reconfigure into new shapes.

Music is more cyclical than it is linear...it's the inspirational reconfiguring of what went before that creates a zeitgeist.

I disagree XOR. It's cyclical up to a point in the way that people take things from the past, and change them into something new. Things don't come around and reach exactly the same point, and there are a lot of innovators right now creating really fresh stuff - try shackleton and flying lotus for example. New musical forms always borrow aspects from other music, it seems impossible (especially now) to create something completely alien from anything else, but things that do are often the most striking and exciting for me personally. I find the whole idea of genre-ising thing a bit frustrating in a way but it is nonetheless completely necessary

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:51 am**

its not the same !
everything is different.

i hate to say it but i liked it better when there was 3-5 releases a month or so. it felt like something special.

now theres like 50 releases a month, and you have more options yes but i am probabbly buying less records now than a year ago when there was half the amount of releases.

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:00 am**

New Scuba, Peverelist/Appleblim, Shackleton, 2562 and Martyn, loadsa deep stuff about mate.

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:21 am**

spender wrote:Anyways, for me, the problem's not on the production side. The tunes and the producers are out there... waiting patiently. It's just down to the DJs and promoters to get braver and start repping them.

...and to people around here to vote with their feet and not bother to check DJs who aren't playing what they want to hear or go out of their way to support DJs who are.

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:48 am**

struggle wrote:hate to say it, but after months of finding only a handful new releases i like i'm being driven to..

a)get more serious about creating my own
b)buy techno again

i've missed a lot of good techno releases over the last two years.

I'd still love you to finish those Techno flavoured dubs you were working on.

Nothing stopping you doing Techno and Dubstep.

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