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anything by Jammin

and i also think that Rubber Chicken by Caspa has influenced the sound heavily.

aswell as mystikz, loefah, vexd etc etc.

The half-step first family:

"Horror Show"
"Ruffige"
"Mud"

It took a *long* time for people to stop just making poor imitations of these tunes...

RickyRicardo wrote:The half-step first family:

"Horror Show"
"Ruffige"
"Mud"

It took a *long* time for people to stop just making poor imitations of these tunes...

not to mention that nothing sounded like those tunes when they came out. loefah was completely off on his own path in those days. especially so with mud.

It's mad for me to hear the older loefah tunes from before he went halfstep- beat them etc.

Rubber Chicken is one I was thinking of as well, the second drop was probably the most ridiculously wobbly thing at the time... not sure if I'd consider that a good influence tho haha

Corpsey wrote:It's mad for me to hear the older loefah tunes from before he went halfstep- beat them etc.

some of my favourite dubstep tunes are the older Loefah ones, Truly Dread, Jazz Lick, Twisup, all had amazing groove and movement. I find a lot of the true halfstep too sterile in all but the best of clubs.

ThinKing wrote:

Corpsey wrote:It's mad for me to hear the older loefah tunes from before he went halfstep- beat them etc.

some of my favourite dubstep tunes are the older Loefah ones, Truly Dread, Jazz Lick, Twisup, all had amazing groove and movement. I find a lot of the true halfstep too sterile in all but the best of clubs.

snap, was about the same thing. that whole big apple 12 is execellent, as is his stuff on grime2

Corpsey wrote: Rubber Chicken is one I was thinking of as well, the second drop was probably the most ridiculously wobbly thing at the time... not sure if I'd consider that a good influence tho haha

LOL...I remember hearing that tune for the first time and thinking to myself, "This is the end of wobble. It's finally been taken to the logical extreme"

...little did i know

I know what you mean, without a proper sound system some of those tunes can sound a bit dry. Then when you hear/feel them properly

I do also wonder if that minimal halfstep style might have been somewhat exhausted... Would be very very interested to see Loe making something more upbeat again, bet it would be great

Tunes that have more going on rhythmically translate better on not-so-great soundsystems- probably one of the reasons wobble travels so well, since it doesn't rely on bass weight.

That's another topic though.

I know a few people who went apeshit over the Rephlex comps when they first heard them.

Blackdown wrote: most of el-b's stuff was influential because so many people (myself, kode9, skream, benga...) were inspired by it to begin with.

Having only just found out about Steve Gurley in the last year, it's ridiculous how much early El-b was influenced by him - listening to Spirit of the Sun alongside 2000 say, definitely a lot of similarities with the beats and filtered percussion.

To be honest, I kinda like the stuff that isn't massively influential - some of those really wonky El-b beats from way back (Back to Me 2nd remix springs to mind) haven't really been milked to death yet, the only person I can think of that continued that idea was Zomby on Memories.

Corpsey wrote: I do also wonder if that minimal halfstep style might have been somewhat exhausted...

Definitely

Yeah the interesting thing about influential tunes is that sometimes they inspire so many imitators that they themselves (can you say that about tunes? lol) lose their appeal. The obvious thing to talk about here is wobble - there are still quite a few great tunes using wobbly basslines but so many shit tunes also that even when I hear a good wobble tune I think ''hmmm wobble eh'' instantly...

I need to burn the ''w'' ''o'' ''b'' ''l'' and ''e'' keys on my keyboard.

Corpsey wrote:
I need to burn the ''w'' ''o'' ''b'' ''l'' and ''e'' keys on my keyboard.

How will you spell 'Bowel' if the need arises?

Yeah, plus wobble can actually be used with more interesting drum beats too. Was listening to True VIP by Youngstar (old SUAD offshoot I think), Black Puppet by Groove Chronicles and Gorgon Sound, all wobblers, but not WOBBLAHS

I don't spell bowels I do bowels

ThinKing wrote:

Corpsey wrote:It's mad for me to hear the older loefah tunes from before he went halfstep- beat them etc.

some of my favourite dubstep tunes are the older Loefah ones, Truly Dread, Jazz Lick, Twisup, all had amazing groove and movement. I find a lot of the true halfstep too sterile in all but the best of clubs.

Brilliant stuff!

Blackdown wrote:Wookie i hear less influence taken, because his raw, crashing drum-break sound didnt really get used so much later. early skream and benga stuff was really clipped, percussion wise. "Red" seemed to have a far larger influence on their early sound.

yeah menta/artwork in general seems to be the major influence on skream and benga's early material - the plunging elastic bass hits, etc. wookie is an odd one because he really ought to have been taken up as a bigger influence but i can't think of anyone who has in a big way. you don't hear that brand of perverted bass science these days. and he really knew how to fuck with timing. i'd be inclined to say that terror danjah picked up his path but i'm not sure if he'd cite the influence himself.

Corpsey wrote:
A lot of the tunes kode was playing at FWD the other week sounded a bit like bury the boy to me- those propulsive thundering drums and almost submerged bassline... but again, maybe that's just a general techno influence?

yesssss they were mostly new mala I believe, one of which I hadn't heard since July, another one with what sounds like a car horn and i think warrior queen (!?) in it.
so fucking primal, blood rises and i get tunnel vision when i hear this stuff

Shonky wrote:

Blackdown wrote: most of el-b's stuff was influential because so many people (myself, kode9, skream, benga...) were inspired by it to begin with.

Having only just found out about Steve Gurley in the last year, it's ridiculous how much early El-b was influenced by him - listening to Spirit of the Sun alongside 2000 say, definitely a lot of similarities with the beats and filtered percussion.

To be honest, I kinda like the stuff that isn't massively influential - some of those really wonky El-b beats from way back (Back to Me 2nd remix springs to mind) haven't really been milked to death yet, the only person I can think of that continued that idea was Zomby on Memories.

in the early days, kinda 2000ish, the only two people el-b would give props to was zed bias and steve gurley.

and as for milking beats, you forget burial, who's drums owe a massive debt to el-b's, while also being quite his own now.

el-b "buck and bury"
horsepower " gorgon sound"
horsepower "marseilles connection "
digital mystikz " mawo dub "
kode 9 " ping "

i've been flogging ping around for years now because i rate that as one of the most forward thinking sub bass tunes in the last decade.