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CRYPTIC wrote: If it wasn't for grime - Dubstep wouldn't be where it is today!

This implies Grime is attributed to Dubsteps success, whether you meant it or not that is exactly what this statement suggests. Dubstep has successfully gone global, something Grime is still trying to do, The international fanbase for Grime is weak compared with Dubstep, what makes you think grime helped dubstep in anyway? the sound we now call dubstep can be heard in tunes as far back as 98/99, where was grime then? oh yeah that's right, it didn't exist!!!! I don't want to get into specifics relating to the cornerstones of the genre but grime aint 1 of them, no matter what you may think.

CRYPTIC wrote: Speed garage did start in Sheffield in the early 90's.

Wow, there's so many things wrong with this quote I honestly don't know where to begin. I know your from these ends and biggup to you for tryin to rep, but making up shit aint how you do it. Speed garage was a name given to normal garage from across the pond which was sped up at raves in London cos us UK ppl like things fast, don't ask me why, we just do. It had FUCK ALL to do with Sheffield and anywhere outside London for that matter. Then came the UK take on garage which had its selection of 4x4 beats but also something new we now call 2 step. Again, all this happen way before your shitty little Niche club opened.

CRYPTIC wrote: Down south speed garage orignally wasn't 4x4 beat. It was more two step, but much faster then 2 step garage.

Seriously, where are you getting your info from?? Honestly, I want to know...

CRYPTIC wrote: Niche opened in Sheffield in 95/96. i was aged 11/12 then and i can remember my old auntes going on about it. So your wrong, this place is the mecca of speed garage.

Niche opened AFTER there was an established UK Garage scene in London, and guess what the Niche club was playing for the first 6 or 7 years of its life? yes thats right, garage from London AKA UK garage.

CRYPTIC wrote: Im not %100 sure where it all started, but i know Sheffield holds a big key in this.

If you're not 100% sure, why comment at all? Like I said before, I really dont need to make you look like a fool, your doing a great job yourself.

Anyone can read a Wikipedia page bruv, but unless you were there at the time you should think a little harder about where you get your so called "facts" from.


What the fuck do I know anyway, I have a cheesy taco....................

Even though I'm into grime music, home of the gun sign and the most common use of the words 'brap' 'nang' 'blud' 'bruv' etc, I'm actually pretty well spoken if you meet me

Kk maybe the quote about grime was a bit strong lol I agree wjat your saying there. I was just implying that grime has defiantly made a influenced todays dubstep. You can t argue that!

Plastician - says it all!

Like i said before, im not gonna argue on where it speed garage started because i don't %100 know, but i know from experience that the Sheffield nightclub niche played a part in at all, no Wikipedia. From being a child i listen to speed garage (niche) from the age of 12 thats like 1997. Cmon! Yea maybe im reping my ends hard, but i just know that sheff played a big part. End off.

i always thought that speed garage was just the term that ppl up north used for uk garage.

PUPSTAR wrote:

BlizzardMusic wrote:
EDIT: dont rite like this coz it mkes u luk lyk a lolcat

hahah, dont get it twisted, i aint no msn fiend

random question, did u make that beat on that EA tune blizzard?

yeah

Werd2jaH wrote:i know grime dont equal hip hop, but until i run cross some tracks thats on the same lyrical content level as even jus one of those artists i jus listed den i have to call it out as i see it

totally agree. For example i would say Daylight by aesop rock has more lyrical content and clever metaphores than i've probably heard in every other grime tune put together.

Hugh wrote:

Werd2jaH wrote:i know grime dont equal hip hop, but until i run cross some tracks thats on the same lyrical content level as even jus one of those artists i jus listed den i have to call it out as i see it

totally agree. For example i would say Daylight by aesop rock has more lyrical content and clever metaphores than i've probably heard in every other grime tune put together.

Comparing Grime to USHH is like trying to compare and apple to and orange, they have some similarites but the fans are looking for a completely different thing when listening to the music.

Like most US rappers don't repeat bars, and would probably get slated if they did. But Grime fans love it when they are listening to rave and radio and they hear some familiar bars or an MC's best bars, hearing the same abrs over different beats sometimes puts a completely different spin on the bars with the MC having to adjust their seppd and flow.

And most Grime fans don't wan't to hear deep shit most of the time, honestly I would like to hear more consciencious bars much more of the time, but the general opinon of grime fans it that they want hype and energy.

Its like the difference between a Rusko - Mr Chips and Burial - Archangel, when you listen to them you are doing so because you want to achieve a different feeling/mindstate through the music, this is no reason to right off a scene of music

Just depends what you are into

TRU_G wrote:Comparing Grime to USHH is like trying to compare and apple to and orange, they have some similarites but the fans are looking for a completely different thing when listening to the music.

Why would you listen to an Apple and an Orange?

TRU_G wrote:

Hugh wrote:

Werd2jaH wrote:i know grime dont equal hip hop, but until i run cross some tracks thats on the same lyrical content level as even jus one of those artists i jus listed den i have to call it out as i see it

totally agree. For example i would say Daylight by aesop rock has more lyrical content and clever metaphores than i've probably heard in every other grime tune put together.

Comparing Grime to USHH is like trying to compare and apple to and orange, they have some similarites but the fans are looking for a completely different thing when listening to the music.

Like most US rappers don't repeat bars, and would probably get slated if they did. But Grime fans love it when they are listening to rave and radio and they hear some familiar bars or an MC's best bars, hearing the same abrs over different beats sometimes puts a completely different spin on the bars with the MC having to adjust their seppd and flow.

And most Grime fans don't wan't to hear deep shit most of the time, honestly I would like to hear more consciencious bars much more of the time, but the general opinon of grime fans it that they want hype and energy.

Its like the difference between a Rusko - Mr Chips and Burial - Archangel, when you listen to them you are doing so because you want to achieve a different feeling/mindstate through the music, this is no reason to right off a scene of music

Just depends what you are into

fair enough, but I could just as easily say that I prefer most hype US Mc's to hype grime MC's, for example have you heard the tunes "battle cry" or "henry the 8th" by army of the pharaohs, or pretty much any songs on the new jedi mind tricks album. The quality of the flow and lyrics will come up short to this kind of standard 9 times out of 10.
I cannot see grime standing the test of the time unless the MC's stop chatting the same crap on their tracks over and over. it's such a niche market and has a very limited appeal, even though i do, despite all my ramblings, really like well made grime.

Comparing Grime to USHH is like trying to compare and apple to and orange

not at all. if USHH was strictly concientious east coast rap then fine. But theres so much more to it. Its more like comparing an apple to an entire fruitbowl, which also contains apples, amongs other delicious fruits. Yes im stretching this metaphor to the point of stupidity

I wouldnt say that grime has influenced dubstep but older grime producers like Plastician and Ironsoul/Kromestar to dubstep only now. not so of influence it just happens that the dubstep sound seems more attractive to the types that started off making very deliberate uk dance music. older grime like pulse x, agent x's stuff doesnt sound like new grime. grime now sways more towards crunk kind of beat patterns.. I could say that grime has now been influenced by Dubstep now.

The Problem with grime maybe the mixtape culture where, instead of making hype mixtapes like US and leaving the albums to do the less rap and more r n b and pop acts. grime mixtapes tend to have too much of the other stuff on it, like too much rap tracks....
where mixtape seems to be(apart from some radio) the main source of grime, and because of ppl adding too much rap, i can see why ppl think that ppl are trying to bait hip-hop too much...

i like the pacing of grime beats and the hype generally is really fun.