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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:34 pm
by silentk
Parson wrote:SilentK wrote:Parson wrote:cool.
the truth is inside though. ain't gonna find any of it in the external world
hmm, but wont truth be reacher quicker through collaboration, and pooling of ideas and theories? some of the greatest discoveries in history would never of come to pass if it wasn't for the totaly chance involvement of more than one party?
nah. thats the opposite of what i'm saying.
but, take for example, people trying to discover the true purpose of the human race? this cannot be acheived by studying only yourself? surely you must study the race as a whole, as every human being is so drasticaly diferent?
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:35 pm
by parson
SilentK wrote:Parson wrote:SilentK wrote:Parson wrote:cool.
the truth is inside though. ain't gonna find any of it in the external world
hmm, but wont truth be reacher quicker through collaboration, and pooling of ideas and theories? some of the greatest discoveries in history would never of come to pass if it wasn't for the totaly chance involvement of more than one party?
nah. thats the opposite of what i'm saying.
but, take for example, people trying to discover the true purpose of the human race? this cannot be acheived by studying only yourself? surely you must study the race as a whole, as every human being is so drasticaly diferent?
i can tell you about the history of the human race, but you wouldn't believe me.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:37 pm
by misk
bellybelle wrote:1. i don't know why a revolution of consciousness is religious. i don't believe spiritual awakening is synonymous with religion. religion is there to control individuals. spirituality is between the individual and the force/power/entity they honor as deity.
2. a reawakening is long over due. at some point, people have to tire of bread and circuses, which is what most of our fluffy lives consist of, no matter how important we think which girl is hot and which tune is slutty. apathy has reigned for far too long. we, as people, seem to be lacking any real passion. I think part of us will always crave it, and bring the pendulum back.
3. I don't meditate but I do dance as a form of meditation, like in the trance dancing of whirling dervishes or of Zaar rituals. But i think the place i personally had a major epiphany was in accepting who i was. Quite the existentialist mantra, "Become who you are," but in all seriousness, when I accepted who I was, it put a lot of things into perspective. However, I think most people avoid it because to admit to certain aspects of their personality would crush their delicate facade and force them into a place where they had to actively choose against mediocrity or actively accept what they fear: not being a special snowflake.
good point. I do consider myself a special snowflake - but only in the sense that my soul is a shard of the universal consciousness.
ironically, i havent even smoked weed in years, btw.
also, i agree with you that spirituality and religion are very much two separate things. religion is the structure put in place by a group of individuals who desire power, so that they may seperate the masses from their god. spirituality is the individual's personal communion with her god.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:38 pm
by bashment dan
explain
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:39 pm
by parson
if human perception alters reality (observation changes the behavior of atoms) then quantum mechanics is saying that God is inside us too
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:39 pm
by misk
Parson wrote:bashment dan wrote:imho people have to just be patient and wait for the gradual progression in scientific knowledge to understand the ultimate 'theory of everything'.personally i dont think the human mind is near capable of understanding a lot of the phenomena in the universe(quantum mechanics and higher dimensions etc)but through technological evolution and future thinkers we will inevitable get there.to say you can be all knowing through meditation is unrealistic but im not dismissing that it has real worth as a field of scientific study.
what quantum mechanics has been describing for the past 50 years is what people meditating have been describing for thousands upon thousands
and where will we be when this has been proven wrong, and we are skirting the edges of new beliefs? I love that there are things we havent even begun to consider as truth, as a species, that we will need to acknowledge before we can begin to understand the the great unknown beyond even those yet to be discovered truths.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:40 pm
by silentk
Parson wrote:SilentK wrote:Parson wrote:SilentK wrote:Parson wrote:cool.
the truth is inside though. ain't gonna find any of it in the external world
hmm, but wont truth be reacher quicker through collaboration, and pooling of ideas and theories? some of the greatest discoveries in history would never of come to pass if it wasn't for the totaly chance involvement of more than one party?
nah. thats the opposite of what i'm saying.
but, take for example, people trying to discover the true purpose of the human race? this cannot be acheived by studying only yourself? surely you must study the race as a whole, as every human being is so drasticaly diferent?
i can tell you about the history of the human race, but you wouldn't believe me.
i probably wouldn't because i find it nigh on imposible to belive in anything that isn't based in fact and science. i have no belif in ghosts, higher beings, spirituality, enlightenment, re-incarnation etc. because they cannot be proved, i like believing only in the certain.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:40 pm
by parson
bashment dan wrote:
what quantum mechanics has been describing for the past 50 years is what people meditating have been describing for thousands upon thousands[/quote]
explain[/quote]
everything is connected, there is a universal energy/life force (quantum field), mind over matter, etc etc
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:41 pm
by misk
who are these "higher beings"? and why are they above us? and why is it better to be above than below? or left?
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:41 pm
by shonky
Parson wrote:if human perception alters reality (observation changes the behavior of atoms) then quantum mechanics is saying that God is inside us too
Must admit my understanding of quantum mechanics is pretty much zilch, but how can you tell atoms aren't changing when they're not observed because they're not being observed so surely you wouldn't be able to tell
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:43 pm
by silentk
Shonky wrote:Parson wrote:if human perception alters reality (observation changes the behavior of atoms) then quantum mechanics is saying that God is inside us too
Must admit my understanding of quantum mechanics is pretty much zilch, but how can you tell atoms aren't changing when they're not observed because they're not being observed so surely you wouldn't be able to tell
whatch that video on youtue, i cannot remember the name right now. it's about atoms going through a slit. someone help me? im grabbing at straws lol.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:43 pm
by parson
Shonky wrote:Parson wrote:if human perception alters reality (observation changes the behavior of atoms) then quantum mechanics is saying that God is inside us too
Must admit my understanding of quantum mechanics is pretty much zilch, but how can you tell atoms aren't changing when they're not observed because they're not being observed so surely you wouldn't be able to tell
they fired electrons through a slit and watched the pattern of how it hit the wall.
the pattern on the wall was the result of wave function
when they observed the electrons going through the slit with an observation device, the results of the electron's apparent behavior went from wave to particle.
observation changes reality on a fundamental level.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:44 pm
by jah wobble
the physical world as virtual reality:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0337
clock of the long now:
http://www.longnow.org/about/
the physics of extraterrestrial civilizations:
http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_et.html
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:44 pm
by silentk
Parson wrote:Shonky wrote:Parson wrote:if human perception alters reality (observation changes the behavior of atoms) then quantum mechanics is saying that God is inside us too
Must admit my understanding of quantum mechanics is pretty much zilch, but how can you tell atoms aren't changing when they're not observed because they're not being observed so surely you wouldn't be able to tell
they fired electrons through a slit and watched the pattern of how it hit the wall.
the pattern on the wall was the result of wave function
when they observed the electrons going through the slit with an observation device, the results of the electron's apparent behavior went from wave to particle.
observation changes reality on a fundamental level.
like how when alone, u can do something easily, but when being whatched, you find it harder?
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:45 pm
by parson
SilentK wrote:Shonky wrote:Parson wrote:if human perception alters reality (observation changes the behavior of atoms) then quantum mechanics is saying that God is inside us too
Must admit my understanding of quantum mechanics is pretty much zilch, but how can you tell atoms aren't changing when they're not observed because they're not being observed so surely you wouldn't be able to tell
whatch that video on youtue, i cannot remember the name right now. it's about atoms going through a slit. someone help me? im grabbing at straws lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBfw3PpIok
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:50 pm
by pk-
Parson wrote:pk- wrote:Parson wrote:SilentK wrote:Parson wrote:basically religion is blind people looking for truth, and englightenment is when you don't need to look or guess or hypothesize anymore.
sounds like my kinda enlightenment.
understand what you have. before looking to what you don't.
well i don't mean merely accepting that you don't know like agnosticism
i'm talking about finally knowing and therefore no longer seeking
that's an impossible state to reach
says the guy who doesn't meditate
devout belief isn't absolute knowledge, is it
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:52 pm
by parson
pk- wrote:Parson wrote:pk- wrote:Parson wrote:SilentK wrote:
sounds like my kinda enlightenment.
understand what you have. before looking to what you don't.
well i don't mean merely accepting that you don't know like agnosticism
i'm talking about finally knowing and therefore no longer seeking
that's an impossible state to reach
says the guy who doesn't meditate
devout belief isn't absolute knowledge, is it
devout belief has got nothing to do with anything.
i'm telling you that there is information for you to find. and you can find it iinside yourself. i reckon there are a lot of people around here who will tell you the same thing.
its got nothing to do with belief. its got to do with seeking information and finding it.
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:52 pm
by emu
the peak of the next solar storm cycle is supposed to peak around then too. although it does that every 11 years or so, our reliance on satellites and such has never been greater. these delicate systems and hardware are very susceptable to error/failure under the stress of the electromagnetic energy put out by these solar storms...could cause some major economic/infrastructural havoc triggering a major change in sociopolitical and world happenings if these systems were to fail.
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2006/sunspot.shtml
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:03 pm
by misk
EMU wrote:the peak of the next solar storm cycle is supposed to peak around then too. although it does that every 11 years or so, our reliance on satellites and such has never been greater. these delicate systems and hardware are very susceptable to error/failure under the stress of the electromagnetic energy put out by these solar storms...could cause some major economic/infrastructural havoc triggering a major change in sociopolitical and world happenings if these systems were to fail.
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2006/sunspot.shtml
interesting hypothesis. this would be quite the event, but the process that our global society would undergo to get through this event and out the other side would require a long trek toward recovery. It really is amazing when you think about what a delicate balancing act it is to be a sentient species on a planet. any number of minor occurences could take place that could wipe out our way of life in moments...
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:05 pm
by emu
yup- crazy stuff for sure.
its like a giant hornets nest hanging from a branch by that little appendage. crazy complex yet very fragile indeed.
if theres anything that would cause a 'mad max' type future it would be the complete wipeout of all the satellites that would cripple communications and governments and all that...