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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:45 pm
by Steve AC23
Skrapes wrote:These tunes are only two years old though. It's not like repressing beats that are years old like Natty tunes. Plenty of new releases get re-runs a year or two after their first release.
True that.
hmmmm... Tricky.
77quid is rediculous, imagine party with that for a 12"
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:10 pm
by rickyricardo
Damn....if i were ever tight for cash, now I know what tunes to start hocking first...
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
by eskay
I gues re-presses are a bit of a gamble, sure there are a few people that may want copies really bad but how many? You have to be sure if you press 1000, that you are going to sell 1000.
I would have thought the best business decision would be to release an album with all of the classic DMZ tunes on and some new ones (double, triple!!?). That way, the people who already hold DMZ001.. etc would buy the tunes again in the new format (I would).
eskay
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:20 pm
by pangaea
eskay wrote:I gues re-presses are a bit of a gamble, sure there are a few people that may want copies really bad but how many? You have to be sure if you press 1000, that you are going to sell 1000.
You could repress 500, surely? Even 1000 would sell
eskay wrote:I would have thought the best business decision would be to release an album with all of the classic DMZ tunes on and some new ones (double, triple!!?). That way, the people who already hold DMZ001.. etc would buy the tunes again in the new format (I would).
Well that would be the ideal situation...making the tunes available on vinyl again but retaining the scarcity of the early releases for those who are bothered about things like that
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:32 pm
by Jubz
The more people have got a tune the better, after all aint that what music is all about, people listening and playing it? For fucks sake some people need to sort it out. Fuck a record collector and fuck an elitist. Music's made to be heard, seen?
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:37 pm
by empoke
Jubscarz wrote:The more people have got a tune the better, after all aint that what music is all about, people listening and playing it? For fucks sake some people need to sort it out. Fuck a record collector and fuck an elitist. Music's made to be heard, seen?
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:49 pm
by seckle
there's never a right or wrong in threads like this. like boomnoise said, there's many factors to this and it's thin ice on every side of the argument. how many people remember the shitstorm a few years ago when metalheadz repress rumours started flying. it had every collector going nuts, and every new head rejoicing.
let's make one thing clear, collecting records is not elitist.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:55 pm
by Jubz
But this isnt drum and bass and its not a few years ago.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:00 am
by nailik
Digital Mystikz: Twis Up (DMZ 001) £33 on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1
Digital Mystikz: Lost City (DMZ 002) £77
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1
Mental, im telling ye
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:03 am
by nailik
Check the buyer's history - he's into buying dubstep and little boys' pyjamas.
Digital Mystikz as lullabies for his wee boys?
They'll grow up crackheadz, im telling ye
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:16 am
by boomnoise
seckle wrote:let's make one thing clear, collecting records is not elitist.
you think? personally i think that if you collect anything obsessively, compulsively, its going to be at the expense of someone else not having something. about kudos and possessing something others don't and there's something inherently selfish about that. the hoarding mentality can get pretty ugly.
not that i'm saying that elitist motives drive collecting compulsion entirely but they certainly form part of it.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:29 am
by seckle
when i was 16 i was given about 400 lp's from my father collection of 60's,70's soul and jazz. if it wasn't for that gift, i'd probably be listening to britney spears or whatever other garbage was on mainstream radio. part of the problem with digital culture is that nothing is physical or tangible anymore. mp3's don't take up room in the closet, so of course people will be upset at the notion of spending money for vinyl.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:32 am
by pangaea
boomnoise wrote:seckle wrote:let's make one thing clear, collecting records is not elitist.
you think? personally i think that if you collect anything obsessively, compulsively, its going to be at the expense of someone else not having something. about kudos and possessing something others don't and there's something inherently selfish about that. the hoarding mentality can get pretty ugly.
not that i'm saying that elitist motives drive collecting compulsion entirely but they certainly form part of it.
Quite.
I hate the thought of that £77 DMZ002 being tucked away somewhere and being bought simply because of it's perceived value - instead of being played and enjoyed.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:35 am
by ufo over easy
seckle wrote:when i was 16 i was given about 400 lp's from my father collection of 60's,70's soul and jazz. if it wasn't for that gift, i'd probably be listening to britney spears or whatever other garbage was on mainstream radio. part of the problem with digital culture is that nothing is physical or tangible anymore. mp3's don't take up room in the closet, so of course people will be upset at the notion of spending money for vinyl.
Does that answer the question?
I think one of the only reasons, if not the only reason, that record collectors hate represses and the notion of selling mp3s is that they can't be elitist about pure data. It's democratisation of music. People do like having things other people don't - surely that's what collecting is all about? "What's the point in making all the effort and spending so much cash if you're just going to end up with the same collection as everyone else." What's what if not elitism? Dubplate culture is total elitism too. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing, it's just what it is.
I notice you're keen to stress that grey area you're so quick to dismiss in other topics.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:39 am
by seckle
for decades before mp3's, people have been handing down record collections in families. that tradition is about 80 years old.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:40 am
by ufo over easy
seckle wrote:for decades before mp3's, people have been handing down record collections in families. that tradition is about 80 years old.
Yeah... how is that relevant though? You're going to have to explain, obviously I'm being thick.
Whether it's elitist or not, it's not up to us though innit. Can't lose sight of that.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:43 am
by boomnoise
seckle wrote:for decades before mp3's, people have been handing down record collections in families. that tradition is about 80 years old.
and you think people won't hand down harddrives of mp3s? kids won't explore their parents computers? this is digressing.
jubscarz - on the money for me up thread.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:44 am
by seckle
UFO over easy wrote:seckle wrote:for decades before mp3's, people have been handing down record collections in families. that tradition is about 80 years old.
Yeah... how is that relevant though? You're going to have to explain, obviously I'm being thick.
yawn. back to dmz represses, this is diverting the topic.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:47 am
by ufo over easy
seckle wrote:
yawn. back to dmz represses, this is diverting the topic.
Errr... right. Always a pleasure mate.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:51 am
by pangaea
seckle wrote:for decades before mp3's, people have been handing down record collections in families. that tradition is about 80 years old.
seckle wrote:yawn. back to dmz represses, this is diverting the topic.
